antiterror13
Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
This baby may be able to have hanger for 2 helos ?
This baby may be able to have hanger for 2 helos ?
052/052B Class Destroyers
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MwRYum
Major
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Below is for those who have no idea how packed the 052C aft structure is...
As you can see, after you consider the centreline region reserved for the CIWS and the VLS units, aft superstructure and the helideck is very cramped, just enough to operate one helicopter up to Ka-28 size type. If the "projected 052D" to be able to handle 2 helicopter, it'd need to be:
1. much wider then the 052C, making the displacement to approach the 9000t or even the 10000t region.
2. aft VLS move to somewhere else, like aft the helideck, lengthen the ship
All in all, that translate into a bigger design is required...in layman's term, the difference cannot be like iPhone4S against iPhone4, but iPhone5 (if you can believe the rumored larger screen design) against iPhone4.
Below is for those who have no idea how packed the 052C aft structure is...
As you can see, after you consider the centreline region reserved for the CIWS and the VLS units, aft superstructure and the helideck is very cramped, just enough to operate one helicopter up to Ka-28 size type. If the "projected 052D" to be able to handle 2 helicopter, it'd need to be:
1. much wider then the 052C, making the displacement to approach the 9000t or even the 10000t region.
2. aft VLS move to somewhere else, like aft the helideck, lengthen the ship
All in all, that translate into a bigger design is required...in layman's term, the difference cannot be like iPhone4S against iPhone4, but iPhone5 (if you can believe the rumored larger screen design) against iPhone4.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Nah, I think they could make it fit. They would just have to move the observation room and window to midline, below the CIWS. The rear VLS looks exactly midline and symmetrical, so if a hangar can fit along the port side, it can fit along the starboard side. I believe the ability to embark two helos was inherent in the 052C design, and that they didn't have 2 hangars because the PLAN in general has a seaborne helo shortage. Whatever is using that space now may just be a luxury, expendable if needed for a 2nd hangar. I have no way to prove this, of course, but then again nothing external about the 052C suggests to me it couldn't be done.
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
i have a feeling the 7th and 8th ships are Type 052C and not Type 052D
also having twin helos can be a huge advantage, when one helo is refueling and re-arming its looses its ASW asset if there is no 2nd helo, when 2 helos u can have ASW 24/7 as one will always be on the search
i have a feeling the 7th and 8th ships are Type 052C and not Type 052D
also having twin helos can be a huge advantage, when one helo is refueling and re-arming its looses its ASW asset if there is no 2nd helo, when 2 helos u can have ASW 24/7 as one will always be on the search
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Mysterre
Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Considering the average endurance of a helicopter is only 3-4 hours, even 2 embarked would not be enough. In a smaller battle group without a carrier, the best you could hope for is a single helo on constant 24/7 ASW duty for the entire group, with helos rotating on to station from all the ships, one at a time.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
If they can do it they would have already done it, PLAN will resolved its helicopter shortage before 2020, yet 052Cs under construction right now still sport the single hangar design. This ship packs a lot of stuff for its size, so the space for the starboard side "hangar" is already allocated for other use, you'll have to rearrange a whole lot of rooms and change some structural designs to open it up. PLAN must have evaluated it and concluded that it's either not feasible or not necessary.
If they can do it they would have already done it, PLAN will resolved its helicopter shortage before 2020, yet 052Cs under construction right now still sport the single hangar design. This ship packs a lot of stuff for its size, so the space for the starboard side "hangar" is already allocated for other use, you'll have to rearrange a whole lot of rooms and change some structural designs to open it up. PLAN must have evaluated it and concluded that it's either not feasible or not necessary.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Very good space management for the helo hangar and one helo. No room for more.
Yes, here's the same view in 1/350 scale:Below is for those who have no idea how packed the 052C aft structure is...
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Very good space management for the helo hangar and one helo. No room for more.
steve_rolfe
Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Having had a tour around a Type 45 Destroyer (ala HMS Daring), and being on the helicopter deck, and in the large hanger.........looking at the equivalent on the 052C, that helicopter hanger looks very awkward ie the narrow entrance of the hanger and towards one side of ship, it also begs the question how much space is inside the hanger when heli is in, for the crew to manouvre around and fit weapons etc, and in an emergency how easy is it to get the heli prepared and manouvred outside. Type 45 heli hanger was very well organised with plenty of space. Just an observation!
Having had a tour around a Type 45 Destroyer (ala HMS Daring), and being on the helicopter deck, and in the large hanger.........looking at the equivalent on the 052C, that helicopter hanger looks very awkward ie the narrow entrance of the hanger and towards one side of ship, it also begs the question how much space is inside the hanger when heli is in, for the crew to manouvre around and fit weapons etc, and in an emergency how easy is it to get the heli prepared and manouvred outside. Type 45 heli hanger was very well organised with plenty of space. Just an observation!
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
"Not feasible" or "not necessary" imply entirely different things about the internal arrangement of the 052C's stern spaces. The fact is the external arrangement of the 052C, including all the hatches, cameras, lights, and helo control room that currently occupy the starboard side, do not suggest to me that it is not possible to place a second hangar there, and that was my point.