00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[gelgoog]

I agree that China does not need nuclear carriers right now. But I think what pop3 says won't happen and that Type 004 will be nuclear powered.

I think it was a missed opportunity that they continued with the steam turbines in the Type 003 instead of using gas turbines. You would think that much like the Brits did with the Queen Elizabeth class they would have switched to gas turbines. My guess is that the Type 003, like some people claim, was originally designed to use steam cats, and that is why it has the steam turbine propulsion. But with EMALS they could have just gone for gas turbines.

As for naval nuclear reactors. They vastly increased production of nuclear submarines. So they must have improved their production capabilities to build naval reactors. They also likely built new reactor types. The civilian industry is highly experienced and is building small reactors like the Linglong One like I have said here more than once. And last but not least, if the Chinese Navy really needed it, I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians would sell them naval RITM-400s if they asked to. RITM-400 is meant to be available for sale as a civilian nuclear reactor to third countries as well.

 

[ChongqingHotPot92]

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Since I got this information first from @horobeyo on Twitter, here's his intepretation:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730401373425176826

Rough translation:

Increasing 003 by 20 meters, you have a 100000 tons conventional carrier bigger than Gerald Ford. Also, one thing I don’t quite get is how IEP works on 003 with steam turbines. Like the steam turbines online generate electricity to several central electric motors, which then disperse the electricity to other part of the ship?

 

[Blitzo]

Honestly, reading the text itself I don't see anything decisive pointing to 004 being nuclear or non-nuclear.

It seems the only thing he is decisively saying in black and white is that it has yet to start construction, which seems reasonable to me.

 

[TK3600]

I agree that China does not need nuclear carriers right now. But I think what pop3 says won't happen and that Type 004 will be nuclear powered.

I think it was a missed opportunity that they continued with the steam turbines in the Type 003 instead of using gas turbines. You would think that much like the Brits did with the Queen Elizabeth class they would have switched to gas turbines. My guess is that the Type 003, like some people claim, was originally designed to use steam cats, and that is why it has the steam turbine propulsion. But with EMALS they could have just gone for gas turbines.

As for naval nuclear reactors. They vastly increased production of nuclear submarines. So they must have improved their production capabilities to build naval reactors. They also likely built new reactor types. The civilian industry is highly experienced and is building small reactors like the Linglong One like I have said here more than once. And last but not least, if the Chinese Navy really needed it, I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians would sell them naval RITM-400s if they asked to. RITM-400 is meant to be available for sale as a civilian nuclear reactor to third countries as well.

I agree. Using steam it may be preparing for nuclear propulsion. If they never intended for nuclear then they should be using gas turbine instead.

Also pop3 never mentioned nuclear or not. The translation guy speculated it out of nowhere.

 

[latenlazy]

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Since I got this information first from @horobeyo on Twitter, here's his intepretation:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730401373425176826

Rough translation:

“Speculation“ is an understatement.

 

[TK3600]

“Speculation“ is an understatement.

Translation: it rains tomorrow

Meaning: China will collapse

Speculation: Aliens are attacking

No connection what so ever.

 

[BoraTas]

Honestly, reading the text itself I don't see anything decisive pointing to 004 being nuclear or non-nuclear.

It seems the only thing he is decisively saying in black and white is that it has yet to start construction, which seems reasonable to me.

I was going to mention exactly that. I don't get how the poster had interpreted that the 4th carrier won't be nuclear.

 

[Lime]

the 4th carrier≠Type 004 carrier
pop3 used to say that type 004 carrier is nuclear doesn't mean the 4th carrier is nuclear.
Also what he said type 004 project had started doesn't mean type 004 carrier is under construction.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

I agree. Using steam it may be preparing for nuclear propulsion. If they never intended for nuclear then they should be using gas turbine instead.

Also pop3 never mentioned nuclear or not. The translation guy speculated it out of nowhere.

I'm only responsible for message delivery (and translation) for that post. I'm not they guy who speculated that the 004 is non-nuclear. You should ask @horobeyo.

 

[taxiya]

the 4th carrier≠Type 004 carrier
pop3 used to say that type 004 carrier is nuclear doesn't mean the 4th carrier is nuclear.
Also what he said type 004 project had started doesn't mean type 004 carrier is under construction.

There is no such thing as "Type 004", not among Chinese PLA watchers. Nobody knows what is the TYPE number serie of PLAN CVs. The numbers talked about are always the sequence number of ships.

See the pop3's wording in blue: "the so-called 004, is probably referring to PLAN's 4th carrier". Pop3 does not use "type 004".



The "type" thing started with CV-16 being called type-001 by people outside of China, but was proven to be wrong when CV-17 came out being called 002 instead of the supposed "type-001A". This is clear years ago.