00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[AndrewJ]

Via @Captain小潇

The size of the piece seems to be correct.

Has anyone evaluated the dry dock's size? From which can we estimate the size of CVN in construction?

 

[KampfAlwin]

Let's go boys! I still remember following 003's progress over the past few years. Can't wait to feel that same excitement.

 

[Deino]

Has anyone evaluated the dry dock's size? From which can we estimate the size of CVN in construction?

Just go to GoogleEarth and measure on your own ... the drydock itself is large enough, but I don't think you should take the modules as they right now as proof it will be that huge! Otherwise certain Indians are again hyperventillating about a 350m XXL-Supercarrier

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

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Just noticed that they made a rough 3D model of Liaoning CV fitting out on Google Earth, alongside 3D models of the three cranes to her starboard side (and some buildings around Dalian, including one IKEA superstore). Interesting.

 

[GTI]

If somehow a repeat type 003 CV is produced and commissioned after the type 004 CVN it would still just be called type 003, just like type 052D are still called that despite some of them being made after type 055 first commissioned, etc. If instead it's a new design CV then yeah it would just be type 005 CV I guess.



The main benefit of a repeat type 003 would be that it would be ready sooner yes, but we shouldn't assume it would be rendered obsolete very quickly. Nobody really knows when the 6th gen fighters will be ready and what exactly they will look like. Further even when the 6th gen fighters become available, it probably wouldn't instantly render all 5th gen fighters obsolete. Most USN carriers (including the latest, Ford with EMALs) do not operate F-35s and nobody is suggesting all those carriers are instantly useless because 5th gen or bust. So future proofing needs to be balanced against other factors and even assuming everything goes to plan a repeat type 003 can have a long and useful career only operating 5th gen fighters.

While it is true that LHAs are getting bigger, I think you either overestimate how big they are getting or underestimate how big full on CV/CVN are. 075 is roughly 40,000 tons, 076 is roughly 50,000 tons, America class is roughly 50,000 tons as well. The type 003 is 80,000+ tons. Even given that displacement isn't a perfect measure it's clear the type 003 is much bigger, it's not a small gap that can be easily closed. I find it doubtful that a future 076A or 077 or whatever will be more than 60,000 tons at max.

Further I don't think anybody thinks the PLAN will keep building more type 003 into the 2030s or something. If the PLAN is building a repeat 003 they probably already started building modules or at worst will start within a year, not start it in 5-10 years. The next gen 076A or 077 or whatever is probably not going to be ready to begin construction until 2030 or later so the construction periods would not necessarily overlap.

We have no consensus as to how the nomenclature works. We’ve been over this to death, years ago.

For now, consensus tends slightly more towards “carrier 00X”, not “type 00X”.

 

[00CuriousObserver]

Just go to GoogleEarth and measure on your own ... the drydock itself is large enough, but I don't think you should take the modules as they right now as proof it will be that huge! Otherwise certain Indians are again hyperventillating about a 350m XXL-Supercarrier

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Just in case any language is not clear to anyone, it's definitely not proof, but all speculation.

 

[ENTED64]

We have no consensus as to how the nomenclature works. We’ve been over this to death, years ago.

For now, consensus tends slightly more towards “carrier 00X”, not “type 00X”.

I'm skeptical that is the consensus as for example

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the People's Daily says "Type 002 class vessel". I don't really see anywhere that says carrier 002. I suppose it's hard to say without an official translation from PLAN (where would this even be?) but regardless with state owned sources using type 002 and not carrier 002 means absent better evidence I'm going to use type 002.