China's SCS Strategy Thread

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No I didn't read this passage from the convention of the sea. The freedom to do activity in EEZ are limited and itemized by the the convention No where does it say freedom of snooping or surveillance
Reading your comments I take it that you concur that there are no specific provisions that exclude the activity of surveillance. As I pointed out before, unless an item or activity is specifically not permitted, it is naturally assumed to be permitted as per the Lotus principle in international law.

And China did enumerated their interpretation of UNCLOS when signing the UNCLOS so did India and Malaysia
In the case of China, it opted out of compulsory arbitration when dealing with sovereignty issues. This in no way means that China is entitled to its own interpretation of UNCLOS.

Beyond the territorial sea, the Law of the Sea Convention also confirms there is freedom of navigation for all vessels. Article 87 provides:


1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked.

Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:

(a)freedom of navigation;

(b)freedom of overflight;

(c)freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to Part VI;

(d)freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations permitted under international law, subject to Part VI;

(e)freedom of fishing, subject to the conditions laid down in section 2;

(f)freedom of scientific research, subject to Parts VI and XIII.

2. These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for the interests of other States in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas, and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to activities in the Area.

While the Law of the Sea Convention makes it clear there is freedom of navigation on the high seas, the same freedom is extended to the EEZ by Article 58(1):


In the exclusive economic zone all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

The right of freedom of navigation on the high seas and the EEZ is circumscribed by the notion of “due regard” for the rights of others. As such, if a State is lawfully fishing, or engaged in exploration or exploitation of seabed resources, other States ought not prejudice or interfere with that activity in undertaking their rights. As such, it is clear that undertaking military exercises on the high seas and EEZ of another State would be subject to the non-interference with the rights of other users.[1]
Having "due regard" for the rights of others is a practical consideration and not a condition leading to the exclusion of an activity.
 
Like it or not, history extends past "WW2" or the "Cold War" which to many in Asia including China were just episodes within the more extensive colonial period.

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Why Taiwan and China Agree on South China Sea Sovereignty
To understand today’s conflicts, it is essential to look at the region’s colonial history.

By Ryan Mitchell
March 29, 2016

Islands stir up all sorts of passions. Introducing South China Sea territorial disputes to its readers, one Chinese periodical sets forth enthusiastically about how the dazzling white sands of the Spratlys are paired with gorgeous shells, an abundance of exotic and beautiful fish, and pieces of bright coral “red as a young girl’s rouge make-up.” Another publication alters a photograph of one of the larger maritime features by covering it with a set of pasted-on Chinese flagpoles, with the caption: “Lovable national flag! What day, what hour, can you be inserted into the Nine Southern Islands?!“

What’s most remarkable about these undoubtedly arousing discussions of national territory is their date. Both pieces (and many others like them) were published in Republic of China media in 1933, and the foreign invaders mentioned in each are not any of the powers currently contesting Chinese territorial claims, but rather the (then) aggressively expansionist French Empire.

At the time, French seizure of the southern islands was grouped together in patriotic discourse with the Japanese takeover of Manchuria in 1931, and other territorial encroachments by foreign powers with colonial aspirations. Collectively, these losses of what was perceived as Chinese territorial sovereignty, and the lackluster opposition of China’s rulers, were referred to as 国耻—“national humiliation.”

Today, both political successors to China’s then-government maintain territorial claims over the South China Sea that are based most closely on maps (including clear predecessors of the famous “nine-dash line”) that were first broadly disseminated in these 1920s and ‘30s nationalist protests against French and Japanese attempts to colonize the Spratly and Paracel island chains. There is, in fact, great continuity throughout the legal arguments and popular passions implicated in the dispute, stretching from this period of colonial pressure through the present day. Western powers’ failures to acknowledge and take seriously these continuities may seriously hamper efforts to deescalate regional tensions.

Colonial Legal Structures

Imagine yourself in the middle of the South China Sea at any point in the early 20th century before World War II. It was quite a cosmopolitan place even then. You could travel in any direction and end up in a different country: Head west to French Indochina, south to British Malaya or Dutch Indonesia, east to the American-annexed Philippines, southwest to British Singapore, northeast to Japanese-controlled Taiwan, or, finally, north to China (perhaps passing through British-controlled Hong Kong).

Save Thailand, and a Japan that had rapidly joined the ranks of colonizing Western powers (having declared its intention to “leave Asia,” or datsu-a 脱亜), China was in effect the only Asian state left as an independent polity. This status was, however, extremely precarious. Western states, and then Japan, had long enjoyed extraterritorial rights and control over “leased” territories, and had long justified their conquest of much of the world with a set of legal arguments that were originally crafted precisely to allow the maximum extension of European sovereignty.

The principle of “terra nullius”—or unclaimed land open to be taken by whichever Western power “discovered” it—was the basic concept which allowed conquest of vast swathes of the Americas, Africa, and parts of Asia (and was invoked by both France and Japan in disregarding Chinese claims to control of the South China Sea island chains). This legal principle was theoretically universal: whoever discovered unused territory could lay claim to it. But in practice, it led to highly particular effects. Only European “discoveries” counted, and prior “native” uses to or claims over thus-discovered territories were generally disregarded.

The principle of the “free sea” operated in a similar manner. Indeed, the concept was first presented in its modern form by the great jurist Hugo Grotius precisely to justify the activities of the Dutch East India company (VOC) as it sought to end the Portuguese monopoly over trade in Asia. Grotius’ innovation allowed powerful companies like the VOC, or anyone else who could reasonably claim to represent a European sovereign, to wage “private war” against whomever interfered with their commercial activities—be they other Europeans or locals who mistakenly thought they had the right not to trade away their land and resources (or to ban foreign imports such as opium).

By the 1930s, China was used to these and other neutral-sounding arguments being deployed in ways that led to denials of its status as an equal Westphalian sovereign power. The French and Japanese attempts to conquer the South China Sea were seen as one more such case; Chinese claims of frequenting and exerting control over these island chains for centuries were not only rejected, they were not even granted the opportunity to have a legal or diplomatic hearing. This led to voluble calls among Chinese nationalists to “take back sovereignty” over the region, and those calls have never stopped. Today’s arguments on both sides of the Strait, right or wrong, are rooted in that decolonizing movement.

The Best Chance for Multilateralism?

Today, China and Taiwan both continue to articulate claims to sovereignty over the Spratly and Paracel island chains. The modern form of these claims stems from the above-noted early 20th century nationalist literature. Just recently, Taiwan has sought to further publicize the issue by inviting foreign media to Itu Aba (the largest feature in the entire South China Sea, and one specifically, formally claimed by the Republic of China in 1946, when most of today’s other disputants were still Western colonies) in order to prove its status as an “island” as opposed to the Philippines’ arbitration claim that it is a mere “rock” under UNCLOS, and also by issuing an official position paper on its sovereignty claims in general.

Holding fresh water, crops, a hospital, an airport, and a permanent population of a few hundred Taiwanese military personnel, Itu Aba may very likely qualify as an “island” under UNCLOS, and thus generate territorial waters and an exclusive economic zone (EEZ). That EEZ, in turn, would cover a fairly wide swathe of the disputed South China Sea territories, including all of China’s recently-constructed artificial islands. This is one reason why the artificial island issue is, in and of itself, largely a red herring.

Treaties like UNCLOS leave many things undecided—which legal issues must be determined first in order to arbitrate a dispute, for example, or definitional questions like the “island/rock” distinction—because they are multilateral agreements among equal powers, whose practices then gradually create further norms of interpretation. Divergent practices by one or a handful of powers (like China’s views, shared with several other states, over limitations on military freedom of navigation in EEZs) do not per se represent wholesale rejections of UNCLOS, let alone “international law” as a whole. Arguing otherwise is disingenuous, for international law has always consisted of a plurality of interpretations.

China and Taiwan will continue to assert their claims for the foreseeable future, at minimum based on a few fairly clear-cut “islands” (France and Japan, among others, certainly treated them as such when trying to permanently annex them) which, legally, must now belong to someone. In China’s case, those claims are now often presented in a strategically ambiguous manner, which leaves unclear their exact relation to UNCLOS and its set of legal concepts—a major factor contributing to regional uncertainty. Taiwan, because it is a Western-friendly power with no discernible expansionist ambitions, has every interest in further specifying its sovereignty claims and eventually committing them to some kind of fair and neutral arbitration with other claimants. But when U.S. or other commentators argue that the issue of sovereignty should be ignored, or press the “island/rock” distinction in order to use UNCLOS as a back door to eliminate the possibility of China or Taiwan ever having their sovereignty arguments heard and vindicated, the chance for multilateral dialogue is wasted. Like “terra nullius,” these particular forms of lawfare can operate to silence disputants rather than actually engaging them in a discourse of justifying principles.

The “freedom of navigation” and “island/rock” principles, among others, appear universal. But they are only ever defined in particular ways, by particular states, pursuing particular interests. A true ‘rules based global order’ is one in which no state—be it China or the United States—can act as the unilateral enforcer or interpreter of these ostensibly universal rules. What is needed is more dialogue, including over the issue of sovereignty: if we can manage that as a global community, then we may really be “post-colonial.” Taiwan’s arguments should thus be considered very carefully.

Ryan Mitchell is a Mellon Foundation Humanities Fellow and Ph.D. in Law candidate at Yale, where his research focuses on political philosophy and international law. He is also an attorney admitted to the State Bar of California.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Finally a common sense prevail between China and Vietnam ... a great first step
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Beijing and Hanoi have agreed to seek fundamental solutions to disputes over the South China Sea through dialogue, with their defense ministers concluding talks on Wednesday.
The two countries have "both the wisdom and capability to control disputes and tackle the South China Sea issue properly", State Councilor and Defense Minister Chang Wanquan told reporters.
He was speaking at a joint news conference in Pingxiang, Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region, after holding "candid" discussions with his Vietnamese counterpart, Phung Quang Thanh.
The two held a third border meeting that started on Monday in Lang Son, Vietnam.
Thanh said at the news conference that although Vietnam and China hold different positions on the South China Sea, "we both agreed to handle the issue through peaceful and friendly negotiations on the basis of international law, while abiding by the consensus reached by our leaders".
Bilateral ties have been hampered in recent years, as the two countries both claim territory in the South China Sea.
Before the border meeting, Chang met on Sunday in Hanoi with Thanh and General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam Nguyen Phu Trong, who said Vietnam values cooperation with China.
He added that military cooperation has played a major role in pushing forward relations between the two countries.
Trong visited Beijing in April last year, and President Xi Jinping visited Hanoi in November, helping to improve bilateral relations.
Chang said the two militaries have reached a consensus to increase high-level exchanges and boost personnel training, as well as expanding cooperation on military academic research, the defense sector and UN peacekeeping.
Sharing a border of more than 1,450 kilometers, China and Vietnam started joint border patrols in 2012, and on Wednesday morning the two ministers witnessed patrols on both sides of the border.
Chang said the aim of the latest border meeting is to implement the agreement reached by the two countries' leaders, and strengthen the political trust and pragmatic cooperation of both armies to contribute to peace and stability along the border.
Major Wang Mingwen, head of the Chinese patrol squad, said the joint patrols help to avoid misunderstandings and conflict between the two armies in handling problems such as "incursions" by people living near the border to plant crops, or other illegal activities.
By conducting the patrols, communication with the Vietnamese can be established to unify their countermeasures when dealing with similar problems, Wang said.
Lieutenant Colonel Nguyen Xuan Thang, head of the Vietnamese squad, said the joint patrols also help to strengthen friendship and trust between soldiers.
Jia Duqiang, a researcher of Southeast Asia studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences' National Institute of International Strategy, said the ministers' remarks show that the two countries will not let the South China Sea dispute affect overall relations.
Jia said the experience and trust accumulated in previous border negotiations will be conducive to the eventual solution to the South China Sea dispute, which is the only remaining border dispute between the two countries.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Yup no backing down . The ball is now on the other side to escalate or deescalate

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Thursday (March 31) that China is resolute in defending its sovereignty in the South China Sea, and believes the disputes should be settled peacefully by relevant claimants through direct talks, Xinhua said.

Mr Xi said Beijing "respects and safeguards the freedom of navigation and overflight other countries are entitled to under international law", the official news agency added.

He made the comments to United States President Barack Obama at a meeting on the sidelines of a nuclear summit in Washington.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Yup no backing down . The ball is now on the other side to escalate or deescalate

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Thursday (March 31) that China is resolute in defending its sovereignty in the South China Sea, and believes the disputes should be settled peacefully by relevant claimants through direct talks, Xinhua said.

Mr Xi said Beijing "respects and safeguards the freedom of navigation and overflight other countries are entitled to under international law", the official news agency added.

He made the comments to United States President Barack Obama at a meeting on the sidelines of a nuclear summit in Washington.
No surprise on what Xi said, since Beijing has said for many years SCS is a "core" interest. I suspect if it was just China and the US, something could be worked out between them on security and FON. But when you throw in interests of the other regional states, things become very muddled.
 
No surprise on what Xi said, since Beijing has said for many years SCS is a "core" interest. I suspect if it was just China and the US, something could be worked out between them on security and FON. But when you throw in interests of the other regional states, things become very muddled.

Especially if other states are being egged on to be more confrontational with China by both the US and Japan.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Especially if other states are being egged on to be more confrontational with China by both the US and Japan.
US is being actively pushed into SCS escallation on by not only Japan, but Philippines, and Vietnam. But, the problem is what exactly are the FONs suppose to do? I say that because if their only function is to prove the USN can sail anywhere, anytime it pleases, then how does that help the trio against China? Let's not rule out Beijing being crazy like a fox and put up with continued US FONOPs to address fundamental American core interests, one that has been so since the founding of the Republic.

The first two FONOPs in the SCS has done nothing to impede Chinese consolidation of the area, so is it likely the third, fourth, tenth, and even fiftieth would? And if they don't stop China from dominating the SCS, a-la US in the Caribbean, then will desperate claimants manufacture incidents, like Philippines grounding a vessel on Jackson Atoll, to ensnare the two great powers in confrontations and even conflicts?

What's unfolding in the SCS is two great powers learning to accommodate each other, without war. How do we know that? Because leaders in both Capitals say so; Xi Jinping said China wants a new model of major power relations, and Barack Obama said it's about who leads Asia.

The nonviolent geopolitical thrusts and repose of both countries will go on until China gets the minimum of what it's willing to accept, and America gives the maximum of what it's willing to lose. If the great powers still can't come to terms, then the nonviolent portion of the argument gets a lot hotter. That's what the shouting is all about, and the FONs, alliances, joint exercises, and additional military basing rights are arguments Washington brings to the table.
 

ChesireCat

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What's unfolding in the SCS is two great powers learning to accommodate each other, without war.

Indeed.
China and USA is basically wresting over dominance in Asia without direct confrontation. Washington and Beijing know they are codepedent. Both will flex muscle and show off. China will dominate, while USA will continue to sail in SCS. The losers are mainly Vietnam and Philipines, they just dont know it yet.
 
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