054/A FFG Thread II

[Tam]

That ship was previously exhibited at IDEAS 2018. SR2410C could provide an upgrade over the Type 382 Sea Eagle, and an MLU path for the Type 054A.

 

[Jura The idiot]

now noticed the tweet

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Pakistan Navy's 054A/P frigate is likely to be equipped with SR2410C phased array radar and the export version YJ-12 supersonic AShM CM302. CGI by 西葛西

 

[Tam]

Beautiful CG work I have to say. When you have the 054A modded into this, do you still need a 054B? Can this be a template for a future 054A MLU?

 

[asif iqbal]

beautiful design

hopefully it will have a VLS that can fire Zarb and Babur missiles

air defence, land attack, anti ship, anti submarine and a true multipurpose FFG

 

[Franklin]

This is what i can find on the SR2410C 3D Multifunctional Radar.

SR2410C 3D Multifunctional Radar

SR2410C 3D multifunctional radar is a modular, highly reliable, countermeasure-resistant, medium-range air and surface surveillance system.

The Beijing-based China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company (CSOC) promoted SR2410C, a new phased array radar at the LIMA 2017 exhibition.

According to the Chinese language news cjdby, the radar is a fully coherent three-dimensional phased array S-band radar capable of fully automatic detection, track initiation, and classification of various types of targets. Even under severe clutter conditions encountered in the littoral, it detects and tracks with a particular emphasis on small, fast and low-flying aircraft, missiles, hovering helicopters and asymmetric threats. This ensures minimal operator workload and maximises operational effectiveness analogous to the Thales SMART-S MK2 radar.

The radar’s anti-jamming capabilities include resistance to narrowband and broadband active jamming. Other electronic countermeasures include constant false alarm mode, digital pulse compression plus it has a low side lobe.

Richard Fisher, vice president of the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center said that the radar is clearly designed to add another layer of medium and point surveillance defence capability for surface ships.

According to the CSOC brochure, the radar can track up to 150 targets per rotation. Limitations include air targets over Mach 3 and at ranges of more than 150km. The radar has a fire control capability to track missiles, but only at a maximum range of 60km. It is also capable of tracking moving ground vehicles and surface ships. It is capable to complete the task of identifying friend and foes.

The radar can be mounted on a vehicle or a littoral combat ship such as type 056 Corvette. The radar has been installed on Bangladesh Navy’s type 056 Corvette – BNS Shongram and BNS Prottasha. The SR2410C radar is fully compatible with shipboard missile systems such as FM-3000.

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[Hyperwarp]

What the CIWS PN is going for? Is it Type 730 or 1130?

 

[jobjed]

What the CIWS PN is going for? Is it Type 730 or 1130?

Type 730 might already be out of production. It'll probably be cheaper for the PN to lump their order in with all the 1130s the PLAN have bulk ordered.

 

[antiterror13]

Beautiful CG work I have to say. When you have the 054A modded into this, do you still need a 054B? Can this be a template for a future 054A MLU?

yes, quite an upgrade from 054A. My only comment would be to increase the number of AShM CM302 to 8 ... and it is very much doable

 

[Biscuits]

Beautiful CG work I have to say. When you have the 054A modded into this, do you still need a 054B? Can this be a template for a future 054A MLU?

I’d say they are saving up something big for the 054B rather than incremental upgrades.

IMO it seems that 052D and 054A form one “generation” of ships. The 055 represent the DDGs of the next generation, so there should be a next generation FFG in the pipeline too.

 

[Tam]

I’d say they are saving up something big for the 054B rather than incremental upgrades.

IMO it seems that 052D and 054A form one “generation” of ships. The 055 represent the DDGs of the next generation, so there should be a next generation FFG in the pipeline too.

The whole point of going all AESA in every radar, including navigation ones, like the Type 055, is to ensure every radar has LPI (Low Probability of Intercept) mode. Means the radar has the agility to make waveform using pseudo randoms jitters and staggers, to make the waveform look like background noise or static, which isn't going to trigger enemy's ESM. The ESM would regard the signals are mere noise, not radar. This gives the ship a "stealthy" radar profile.

A ship using its radars can be a beacon to the enemy telling that it is there. If a ship has one main radar that is AESA and has an LPI mode, it can be undetectable while this radar is on use. However, the ESM can pick up signals from the other radars that are not AESA. That's the issue with the Type 052D, which still has a bunch of mechanical radars, including its Type 517, 364, 366, 344, navigation radars. The 054A/P still has the 364, 344, 366 and navigation radars.

The guy who drew his CGI concept of the Type 054B might know a bit more. His design is an all AESA one, including search and navigation radars. Note the radars on top of the bridge. He really thought of everything but only forgot to put the ECM. With the exception of the very short range radar on the CIWS, every radar is an AESA and the ship can generate an all LPI profile. I would expect the Type 052E to take this route too --- convert the said remaining legacy mechanical radars of the 052D into an AESA equivalent or integrate its function to fewer multirole AESAs.

Of course, there is more to the 054B fan concept too. The PLAN now seems to prefer this CIWS layout with gun CIWS on front and HQ-10 in the rear as standard, and the CGI incorporates that. The ship may have moved to using U-VLS, which is logically speculative. There is the IEPS. The ship's general appearance may also be a bit more passive radar stealthier. Might have two helos to shelter.

But if you are really after a 'mere' performance upgrade that is massively cost effective, the 054A/P does this. 'Mere' is understating, the SR2410C is a massive leap over the Type 382 in terms of generations. No question the point of YJ-12 over YJ-83. If you don't want (or cannot afford) an all AESA-LPI ship, and simply go for performance, the 054A/P can cut it, and those two things alone makes it a big jump over the standard Type 054A.