J-10 Thread IV

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Wallclimbers claim that this particular bird is a J-10B. Not sure if there are any old test platform J-10As still in service.

That makes sense. So they are playing around with TVC now, very interesting.

Although one has to wonder why it took them so long since the Russians have been offering TVC for maybe a decade by now.

In that respects, it does make me more hopeful that this is a prelude to a J10D which features TVC.

If they just wanted to do a limited study and play around with TVC, they could easily have bought a few sample TVC capable engines years ago from Russia and completed their studies before now.

It only makes sense to delay testing TVC until TVC is ready on a domestic engine if your goal is to operationally field that domestic TVC engine, so don’t want to have to do all the flight testing twice, as much of the flight testing done with a TVC AL31 would need to be repeated on the WS10 TVC because of the almost certainly different weight, thurst and other key performance benchmarks between the two engines.

TVC is most useful in the subsonic region, whereas delta canards are more inherently suited to the transonic region. So if the new engines adds enough thrust to offset the weight gain, it could be that TVC is added primarily to help boost the J10’s subsonic region agility to remove that ‘weakness’ and make it superior in all flight regimes.
 

drunkmunky

Junior Member
holy eff the cartoon was legit.....
interesting ceramic coating on the blades.
How long do we figure this will test for?

Could it be possible that they are just testing the nozzle function rather than a new engine? or is the actuation so integrated that it HAS to be a new engine?
 
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danielchin

Junior Member
I sort of do. Not as pronounced as the drawing suggested but marked different to a conventional J-10B/C. It sort of tapers upwards as opposed to the sudden step that was implied by the painting.

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The possibility they tapered tail base upwards may explain the reason why they suddenly moved the MAW of J-10C's to the top of the tail?
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
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From Henri K blog with nozzle schematic
At first glance, the three-dimensional vector thrust nozzle installed on a J-10C flying test bench can tilt about 20 °, its shape resembles that of a prototype tested since 2012. The lower part of the drift has has been modified to support pivoting.


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I've got the funny feeling that the space requirement for this type of nozzle is probably smaller than that of its American and Russian counterparts.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The possibility they tapered tail base upwards may explain the reason why they suddenly moved the MAW of J-10C's to the top of the tail?

Possibly, but more likely for practical reasons as the exhausts from the engine can’t be doing the MAWS any favours previously.

Mounting on top of the tail should allow them to up the sensitivity of the MAWS to improve detection range without needing to worry about the engine exhaust interference.
 
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