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"We found that some exemplars, such as heroes should love their country, related to the feature of patriotism, have been reported frequently by Chinese participants. However, the feature of patriotism was not prevalent in Western heroes.

Chinese participants, compared with American participants, are likely to perceive social heroes (e.g., martyrs, political figures, and religious leaders who lead a nation or inspire a movement for civil rights and freedom) as being more heroic than the other two types of heroes (martial and civil types)."

*note: fascinating study, but take the entire psych field with a grain of salt.
Is this really a serious study?

No patriotism in western heroes? When they literally have a mfer unironically named Captain America.

That is such an over the top nationalist propaganda character to have that it sounds straight out of dystopian teen fiction. Its like something from Wolfenstein or man in the high castle: "the Reich releases a new superhero comic series, Kapitän Germania".

Tbh from what limited knowledge I have about Captain America, it might have been intended originally as unironic propaganda, but afaik nowadays he is fighting the corrupt CIA expy rather than Russia or China, maybe because even the writers realize that the latter would be way too over the top, so they made him a positive, self improvement hero that betters America from within by purging internal enemies rather than a nationalist bludgeoning stick killing foreigners that America doesn't like.
 

Biscuits

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they don't want the Hong Kong 1C2S? They don't want 1C1S? OK. there's a very simple alternative 1C2S system that has historically been used, and they're not going to like it, but it has been proven to work in millennia of both Chinese and European history: winner takes all.
It's not on the table to begin with. See: China's latest statement(s) since 2020 on the status of the civil war.

1 country 2 systems was a product of Deng's NEP/reform era, same as special economic zones, and it was intended to create faster access to other markets.

Taiwan province is viewed the same as the Xinjiang province situation, as a group of instigators who are taking up arms and need to be dismantled, preferably with as little loss of life as possible. Only this time it is more dangerous because Xinjiang separatist were backed by Al Qaida and ISIS, 2 non entities, whereas Taiwan separatist may become an excuse for US and even Japan to invade.
 

emblem21

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Is this really a serious study?

No patriotism in western heroes? When they literally have a mfer unironically named Captain America.

That is such an over the top nationalist propaganda character to have that it sounds straight out of dystopian teen fiction. Its like something from Wolfenstein or man in the high castle: "the Reich releases a new superhero comic series, Kapitän Germania".

Tbh from what limited knowledge I have about Captain America, it might have been intended originally as unironic propaganda, but afaik nowadays he is fighting the corrupt CIA expy rather than Russia or China, maybe because even the writers realize that the latter would be way too over the top, so they made him a positive, self improvement hero that betters America from within by purging internal enemies rather than a nationalist bludgeoning stick killing foreigners that America doesn't like.
To be honest, captain America kinda sucks. I always preferred Iron man compared to Captain America because really, Captain America represents so many things that is wrong with the USA, I mean massive collateral damage while trying to save the world any one and basically being an extremely annoying hypocrite in the comics that really makes one sick. Actually are marvel comics popular anymore cause lately most of their moves kinda suck with the whole attempts to exceed expectations making everything completely ridiculous
 

Rafi

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Lmao
Thank you for saying this so I can safely ignore you from now on

"There was no coup" lol

LoL, OK have it your way. No hard feelings, I hope that IK is the leader you think he is, but me thinks you will be sadly disappointed.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Is this really a serious study?

No patriotism in western heroes? When they literally have a mfer unironically named Captain America.

That is such an over the top nationalist propaganda character to have that it sounds straight out of dystopian teen fiction. Its like something from Wolfenstein or man in the high castle: "the Reich releases a new superhero comic series, Kapitän Germania".

Tbh from what limited knowledge I have about Captain America, it might have been intended originally as unironic propaganda, but afaik nowadays he is fighting the corrupt CIA expy rather than Russia or China, maybe because even the writers realize that the latter would be way too over the top, so they made him a positive, self improvement hero that betters America from within by purging internal enemies rather than a nationalist bludgeoning stick killing foreigners that America doesn't like.
From the article:
The research first investigated the prototypical features of heroes (i.e., in your own view, what are the features that you associate with heroes and heroic actions), and determined which features were most important in the prototype of heroes among Chinese participants. We found that some exemplars, such as heroes should love their country, related to the feature of patriotism, have been reported frequently by Chinese participants. However, the feature of patriotism was not mentioned by previous prototype analyses of heroes among Western participants.

We argued that one reason could be the different cultural values people hold. People from collectivistic cultures are more likely to define themselves as aspects of groups and to prioritize in-group goals. Patriotism, at a group level, fulfills important functions for building group unity and mobilizing individuals to act in ways that will favor their group or country.

Our subsequent studies revealed both cultural differences and similarities in lay conceptions of heroes between Chinese and American participants. For example, the findings demonstrated that Chinese participants rated patriotic, masculine, righteous, dedicated, responsible, respected, and noble as being more related to their personal view of heroes than American participants. In contrast, American participants rated strong, powerful, altruistic, personable, honest, leader, proactive, courageous, caring, and talented as being more related to their personal view of heroes than the Chinese participants. Several features did not discriminate well between the groups: saves, humble, fearless, determined, risk-taker, moral integrity, brave, intelligent, conviction, protects, exceptional, decisive, sacrifice, selfless, helpful, compassionate, and inspiration.
The bit after, talks a bit about civil, martial and social heroes (examples for civil being normal person helping a bystander that falls on the walkway, martial being police officers, paramedics etc. and the last social being for martyr or political leader).

And the study concludes there's not much difference between the understanding/view of civil and martial heroes between US and Chinese participants, but there's a wider and more noticeable difference in the perception and recognition of social heroes.

Overall, I think it was an interesting enough article/read.

Edit: Here's the conclusion about the difference when it comes to social heroes:
As we explained in our article: “People from individualistic cultures (e.g., the United States) may be more sensitive to the personal causes of social heroes, such as their individualistic characteristics. Compared with other types of heroes, social heroes strongly emphasize collectivistic features, and they incorporate features (e.g., loyalty to the country and willingness to sacrifice their own interests for the country) that are strongly related to values that Chinese people tend to adopt. Hence, Chinese participants, compared with American participants, are likely to perceive social heroes as being more heroic than the other two types of heroes.”
And here's the link to the study in question:
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siegecrossbow

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Honestly, if the anglos had decided not to target China and TikTok, they could well have gotten this RESTRICT bill passed but thanks to their greed and desire to steal TikTok, they overreached and are now having to deal with 150 million Americans pissed off with the prospect of losing their twerking vids.

While we laugh about Tiktok, many Chinese Americans use WeChat to get in touch with family members in the PRC and under the RESTRICT act they’d be enemies of the US government if they videochat with granny.

I now understand how Muslims in America felt post 9-11.
 
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