The War in the Ukraine

GodRektsNoobs

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It doesn't matter, because at the end of the day, RUSSIA is losing soldiers faster than the rate of fire of this machine, it will lose this war, just look at the testimony of these poor Russian soldiers in the trench...

LMAO what's with so many "just hatched" accounts spewing pure copium on this forum? So your best argument against Ukrainians losing Soledar is Russians complaining that the ground is too hard in trenches dug by engineering vehicles? Have you seen Ukrainian and NATO losses at this point? Let's be honest here, the entire Russian strategy here is just using overwhelming firepower to grind its enemy to exhaustion, and they don't mind giving up territories and equipment in doing so. Ukraine and NATO simply has shown that it is willing to be led into this type of warfare over and over again. It's not exactly the style of high-tech warfare that I am hoping for, but it somehow still works sufficiently for Russians for do it again and again.
 

gelgoog

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LMAO what's with so many "just hatched" accounts spewing pure copium on this forum? So your best argument against Ukrainians losing Soledar is Russians complaining that the ground is too hard in trenches dug by engineering vehicles? Have you seen Ukrainian and NATO losses at this point? Let's be honest here, the entire Russian strategy here is just using overwhelming firepower to grind its enemy to exhaustion, and they don't mind giving up territories and equipment in doing so. Ukraine and NATO simply has shown that it is willing to be led into this trap over and over again. It's not exactly the style of high-tech warfare that I am hoping for, but it somehow still works sufficiently for Russians for do it again and again.

Well, you see comments like this...
The same can be said of the possible fall of Bakhmut. Although the attackers almost always take more casualties than the defenders, and in part it is also a nasty war of attrition.
When one side has superiority in firepower, including artillery, control of the skies, etc. What makes these people think that side would be the one with the most losses? You should have 3:1 advantage to press an attack, but the thing is, it does not mean you take more losses. That depends on a lot of factors. Otherwise the US would have lost the War on Iraq and had horrendous losses no? They were outnumbered too.
 

Nx4eu

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It doesn't matter, because at the end of the day, RUSSIA is losing soldiers faster than the rate of fire of this machine, it will lose this war, just look at the testimony of these poor Russian soldiers in the trench...

You know this how? I'm rather impartial to the war and I'm not going to jump to conclusions about who's going to win the war because frankly everyone loses by the end of the war. Making such claims and the only evidence you continuously provide is from the same dude on twitter. Dude is twitter your only source? You've got to at least think for yourself and remember the biases of each poster on the site. The Echo chambers on both sides are extremely stupid.
 

tankphobia

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I think a person of General Surovikin's elite stature and caliber was not "demoted" or "fired" as Western media is claiming, rather Gen. Surovikin voluntarily resigned from his post as top commander of Ukraine operation because he cannot agree with Shoigu, Gerasimov, and Putin on the grand strategy in the war. Gen. Surovikin has extensive experience leading Syrian campaigns and applied that experience against the infrastructure of Ukraine to a great extent, but likely disagree with the strategy and direction of war, so he (voluntarily) moved to a nominally lower position, while maintaining ground force operation command under Gerasimov.


This is the 5th leadership change in the war over the past 11 months, only to be replaced on average 2-4 months later...Gen. Surovikin didn't even get to launch an winter offensive with the partial mobilized troops he oversaw, with Soledar falling at the end of his tenure. Maybe he wanted to end on a high note.
How are they even maintaining coherence of command by completely changing the chain of command every 2-4 months?!?
 

han1289

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LMAO what's with so many "just hatched" accounts spewing pure copium on this forum? So your best argument against Ukrainians losing Soledar is Russians complaining that the ground is too hard in trenches dug by engineering vehicles? Have you seen Ukrainian and NATO losses at this point? Let's be honest here, the entire Russian strategy here is just using overwhelming firepower to grind its enemy to exhaustion, and they don't mind giving up territories and equipment in doing so. Ukraine and NATO simply has shown that it is willing to be led into this type of warfare over and over again. It's not exactly the style of high-tech warfare that I am hoping for, but it somehow still works sufficiently for Russians for do it again and again.

internet-wide information control initiative.

U only need one guess about who’s funding it
 

phrozenflame

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I think a person of General Surovikin's elite stature and caliber was not "demoted" or "fired" as Western media is claiming, rather Gen. Surovikin voluntarily resigned from his post as top commander of Ukraine operation because he cannot agree with Shoigu, Gerasimov, and Putin on the grand strategy in the war. Gen. Surovikin has extensive experience leading Syrian campaigns and applied that experience against the infrastructure of Ukraine to a great extent, but likely disagree with the strategy and direction of war, so he (voluntarily) moved to a nominally lower position, while maintaining ground force operation command under Gerasimov.


This is the 5th leadership change in the war over the past 11 months, only to be replaced on average 2-4 months later...Gen. Surovikin didn't even get to launch an winter offensive with the partial mobilized troops he oversaw, with Soledar falling at the end of his tenure. Maybe he wanted to end on a high note.
When Organisations need to get rid of people, they often ask employees that they can voluntarily resign to keep face or else they will be fired. Surovikin whether fired or 'resigned' doesn't matter. He was at the top of the food chain, now he isn't, that's a demotion, just a simple fact, nothing complicated.

So many leadership changes means there is alot of political interference at operational level from Putin and or Shoigu. It is not a good sign, it also means goal posts keep changing.
 

Sardaukar20

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News of the Polish Leopard 2s going to Ukraine is not breaking new. But there are some more details.

“A company of Leopard tanks for Ukraine will be transferred as part of building an international coalition,” Duda said in a Jan 11 social media post. “Such a decision [has] already [been taken] in
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Details of timing or quantities were not immediately available. Duda’s reference to a “company” implies Warsaw is committing to supply around 12 Leopard 2 tanks, a very small percentage of the 242 units it operates, according to figures from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).
Only 12 Leopards? I don't know what 12 Leopards can do for Ukraine at this point. They need hundreds of new MBTs.

Looking at the Polish pattern of sending their troops into Ukraine and then rebadging them as Ukrainian troops. speculate that these Polish Leopards will be manned by Polish crews. Probably an entire Polish tank company, rebadged as Ukrainian. No Ukrainians are gonna trained fast enough to crew them and fight now.

It'll be good battle experience for the Polish tank forces, even if they get killed. But for the Russians, it'll be a priceless opportunity to fight against a defacto company of NATO Leopard 2s. Even better if they could capture some intact units.
 

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News of the Polish Leopard 2s going to Ukraine is not breaking new. But there are some more details.



Only 12 Leopards? I don't know what 12 Leopards can do for Ukraine at this point. They need hundreds of new MBTs.

Looking at the Polish pattern of sending their troops into Ukraine and then rebadging them as Ukrainian troops. speculate that these Polish Leopards will be manned by Polish crews. Probably an entire Polish tank company, rebadged as Ukrainian. No Ukrainians are gonna trained fast enough to crew them and fight now.

It'll be good battle experience for the Polish tank forces, even if they get killed. But for the Russians, it'll be a priceless opportunity to fight against a defacto company of NATO Leopard 2s. Even better if they could capture some intact units.
I don't know about all the talk about foreign soldiers fighting in ukraine but about the 12 leopards i think it could be so other country's can add there leopards without losing too much of their stock of leopards so you can have 12 from one country like Poland then 12 from another to the point they reach a total of 100ish or more or less.
 

pmc

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I think a person of General Surovikin's elite stature and caliber was not "demoted" or "fired" as Western media is claiming, rather Gen. Surovikin voluntarily resigned from his post as top commander of Ukraine operation because he cannot agree with Shoigu, Gerasimov, and Putin on the grand strategy in the war. Gen. Surovikin has extensive experience leading Syrian campaigns and applied that experience against the infrastructure of Ukraine to a great extent, but likely disagree with the strategy and direction of war, so he (voluntarily) moved to a nominally lower position, while maintaining ground force operation command under Gerasimov.


This is the 5th leadership change in the war over the past 11 months, only to be replaced on average 2-4 months later...Gen. Surovikin didn't even get to launch an winter offensive with the partial mobilized troops he oversaw, with Soledar falling at the end of his tenure. Maybe he wanted to end on a high note.
Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov are of same generation. Surovikin is junior deputy.
Gerasimov always involves whether in Syria or anywhere else. you can see him in diplomatic suit. and i have no doubt he studied IDF.

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