The War in the Ukraine

[gelgoog]

There is all sorts of BS being spread around in the media like that Russia is using S-300 missiles to attack ground targets in Ukraine. Which is clearly bollocks. Who in their right mind would use expensive surface to air missiles to do the same thing a cheap 300mm artillery rocket can do? Way more likely is that Ukrainian S-300 missiles from old Soviet era stocks are failing and hitting their own infrastructure like what happened with the Buk in Kiev in the early part of the war but of course that never enters their tiny little brains.

Right now we have S-300 SAM debris hitting Poland but of course the Western media does not consider the obvious. That this was a missile misfire by Ukrainian SAMs and not some kind of Russian missile strike.

 

[baykalov]

The war will continue for at least another year, today Biden requested Congress an additional $37.7 billion in aid to Ukraine for next year.

The funding for Ukraine for the duration of the fiscal year would go to defense equipment, humanitarian assistance, and nuclear security support, the White House said.

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[Stealthflanker]

And people already hyping article 5 and such. but They seems to forget the Zagreb incident. That's in my opinion how this would end. Especially if it's from Ukrainian side.

Right now we have S-300 SAM debris hitting Poland but of course the Western media does not consider the obvious. That this was a missile misfire by Ukrainian SAMs and not some kind of Russian missile strike

Kinda strange isn't.

 

[Abominable]

There is all sorts of BS being spread around in the media like that Russia is using S-300 missiles to attack ground targets in Ukraine. Which is clearly bollocks. Who in their right mind would use expensive surface to air missiles to do the same thing a cheap 300mm artillery rocket can do? Way more likely is that Ukrainian S-300 missiles from old Soviet era stocks are failing and hitting their own infrastructure like what happened with the Buk in Kiev in the early part of the war but of course that never enters their tiny little brains.

Right now we have S-300 SAM debris hitting Poland but of course the Western media does not consider the obvious. That this was a missile misfire by Ukrainian SAMs and not some kind of Russian missile strike.

They won't be able to BS about this. If it really is a Russian missile Poland will have every right to invoke Article 5.

In fact not letting them trigger it will make the NATO charter seem pointless, it exists for this exact situation. Article 4 is an option too, but doesn't change the situation.

I think the Americans will "discover" the missile was Ukrainian. It's not like the Poles can tell the difference. A bit like that freak weather episode that took out the Romanian Mig-21 and chopper.

 

[Overbom]

My guess is that Ukrainian air defences intercepted a Russian missile and then that missile (or the interceptor missile) fell to the Polish side.

I am actually surprised that it took so long for something like that to happen given how many missiles are flying left and right daily

 

[sheogorath]

It is being spun as "the remains of a russian missile that was shot down by ukranian air defenses". I guess that way everybody looks good, lol.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592595507427545088

Translation: "My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

My guess is that Ukrainian air defences intercepted a Russian missile and then that missile (or the interceptor missile) fell to the Polish side.

Seems kinda far fetched juding by the impact hole for it to just be the remains of a missile, plus the physics of it. It would have to be flying high for the remains to carry on from whatever was the target in Ukraine and fall 5km inside Poland intact enough to leave a crater.


Edit: The hole seems pretty close to the one left by another failed S-300 missile in Kiev. But that's just speculation and guessing on my part

 

[baykalov]

What do you think is going on in this video?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592625915112353794

 

[Abominable]

It is being spun as "the remains of a russian missile that was shot down by ukranian air defenses". I guess that way everybody looks good, lol.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592595507427545088

Translation: "My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

How would a missile fired from Russia end up anywhere near Poland?

The town in Poland it hit is 70ish km from Lvov. Can a Ukrainian S300 in ground attack mode even reach Poland?

One thing I saw on twitter was The Dobrotvirska TPP is very close to the Polish border.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592616005851054080

Russians have been targeting the power grid recently. Maybe it was an overshoot?

 

[sheogorath]

What do you think is going on in this video?

Compressor stall?. There is no trail heading towards the missile for it be certain it was an attempt at a shootdown

Russians have been targeting the power grid recently. Maybe it was an overshoot?

While it makes sense while looking at his map, it is misleading. It would be a 40km overshoot from where the TPP is actually located

 

[Anlsvrthng]

There is all sorts of BS being spread around in the media like that Russia is using S-300 missiles to attack ground targets in Ukraine. Which is clearly bollocks. Who in their right mind would use expensive surface to air missiles to do the same thing a cheap 300mm artillery rocket can do? Way more likely is that Ukrainian S-300 missiles from old Soviet era stocks are failing and hitting their own infrastructure like what happened with the Buk in Kiev in the early part of the war but of course that never enters their tiny little brains.

Right now we have S-300 SAM debris hitting Poland but of course the Western media does not consider the obvious. That this was a missile misfire by Ukrainian SAMs and not some kind of Russian missile strike.

I remember one particular case from 2014:

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Ukrainian defense plant director sentenced to 6 years in jail for espionage in Russia​

Yuri Soloshenko was trying to buy secret components for the S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems when he was detained in Moscow in the summer of 2014

I presume the problem with spares and maintanace of old Russian SAMs become more accute in the past decade.
They had serious issues back then , now lot of equipment should be on continous life support with few engineer on duty 24/7 to fix things and keep them alive.

Yeah, here we are :

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GENERATOR, PLANT, SE 18 Novokostiantynivska St., UA-04080 Kyiv,

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SE Plant Generator is a leading Ukrainian manufacturer of electric vacuum and semiconductor microwave devices
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SOE Plant Generator in cooperation with ОKB Spectr developed regeneration technologies for pulsed high-power klystron KIU-77 and launched mass production of its domestic analogue — klystron UA KIU5 which is a basic microwave device of the main combat components of the Ukrainian Air Force radio-radar troops — RLS 19Zh6, 35D6. Since 2000, the plant has been repairing klystron sets KG-3, KU-137, and KIU-43, thus maintaining combat value of S-300PS missile systems — a basic weapon of antiaircraft missile troops of the Ukrainian Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This pdf is quite good ,comprehensive list of the Ukrainan defense industries.