The War in the Ukraine

[Tam]

Well you said Ukraine doesn't have enough HiMARS in one place to overwhelm and now you say not enough air defenses to defend a bridge so which is it? HiMARS/M270 GMLRS are very hard to detect with their small RCS and terminal speed of over mach 1 plus. They don't fly a ballistic trajectory they actually maneuver during incoming.

How many of these have taken out weapons depots to the point it causes that nation to look to other "friendly nations" for ammo? How many CCHQ and communication stations has these UAV's taken out compared to GMLRS? There is no comparison.


Static tank you mean. Anything that is static can be taken out by satellite guided weapons if it stays static in one location long enough to be targeted. There are plenty videos of HiMARS taking out all types of armored vehicles.

Russian MOD had claims everyday for the last months since summer or so, about multiple HIMARS shells intercepted. And that's everyday. There are also regular interceptions of other MLRS, all supersonic and with small rocket body RCS. Since HIMARS are launched in three salvoes from three launchers, I would expect at least 18 missiles, and more if Grads are thrown in to distract defenses. However in one such famous attack on one bridge, there are only three hits. I would assume the rest are intercepted.

Buks are also meant to take out tactical missiles so Mach 1 terminal speed doesn't impress. If you are traveling very fast, the faster you go the greater is your Doppler effect and radars take advantage of that.

As for HQs and ammo depots, Russian MoD also officially claims these are being hit and destroyed everyday. Not one, but at a rate of three to six or more, and like wise with ammo depots separately. Certainly enough to cause Zelensky to keep begging for weapons. Many of those depot hits include stored HIMARS shells.

There is certainly no lack of videos of UAVs taking out all sorts of targets. This includes the barracks of one Ukrainian brigade. Not to repost pics or videos that are already posted.

Somehow you keep thinking Shahed when another UAV, the Lancet can take out repositioned targets.

The Krasnopol MLRS happens to be laser guided. Seen enough Russian videos of vehicles being taken out in one shot while they are still moving.

 

[baykalov]

Probable version of Nikolaev's evacuation. The city has a population of 470 000.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583866159799349248

 

[Tam]

I've seen other claims before that they're hit by Excaliburs.

I was thinking laser guided ATGMs fired from a high terrain nearby. But Excalibur seemed right too.

 

[Tam]

i doubt there will be enough air defenses near bridge unless forces actively using it. it still a fix target. even kamkize UAV has more range and effectiveness than HIMAR.

this a tank hit with a rocket.

This might be Krasnopol laser guided round.

 

[Tam]

i have only seen 3 launchers all going vertically upward like BM missile which is unlike other rocket system.
i dont think ukraine has that many at one place to create saturated attack that can effectively overwhelm battlefield air defenses.

They can mix HIMARS with other MLRS like Grad. The other MLRS can also act like a decoy and further add to the damage. At first this scheme seems to work, but the Russians apparently have reprogrammed their air defense radars so they can separate HIMARS, Tochka and Grad.

 

[tabu]

T-62 vs t-72, but still, in what aspects is it better? The t-62 has already been discussed before. But you managed to find in t-62 something superior to Ukrainian t-72m. It is not an attempt to pick on. I would like to understand what you meant by

 

[Tam]

Recently a Russian bomber launched 4 KH-101s at a thermal powerplant near Kyiv, one of which was caught on vid being shot down.

https://imgur.com/87Ux8ti

Related to Ukraine's energy situation, interview with "Director of Center of Energy Research" in Ukraine, Alexander Kharchenko.

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The CHP-6 (Combined heat and power plant) mentioned in the article is the plant being struck by KH-101s in the gif. According to Kharchenko, the main targets are the transformer substations.





The power plants in Kyiv aren't enough to sustain the city, Russia striking the power distribution nodes (transformer substations) is hurting badly, and it doesn't help that transformers need oil to operate. These aren't easy to replace and rebuilt, and fragile, but there are thousands to knock out in Ukraine. Sounds like the perfect target for Shahed-136s.

Someone else also mentioned District Heating provided by these thermal power plants in this thread, per the article this is indeed the case. He ends on an optimistic note and said that Ukraine can keep up with repairs, negotiations with Japan and other countries to get replacements, Russia doesn't have enough missiles, etc.

Three said to have gone thru.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583564169168965632

TRML-4D uses AESA which allows target acquisition after just one antenna rotation, thus improving response time and hit probability, even in a complex environment with high target density and involving highly agile and asymmetric threats.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583516853644668928

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The source claims that the Su-57 fighter appeared and shot down a Ukrainian Su-27 with the R-37M

The intercept scenario:
Indeed, some sources say that a Su-57 would have shot down a Russian-made Ukrainian Su-27 aircraft with a Russian R-37M long-range hypersonic air-to-air missile, when it climbed above safe flight height to try to intercept a of Iranian kamikaze drones that Russia is launching against targets in Ukraine. Russian media indicate that the demolition would have taken place near the town of Porskalivka, in the Poltava region. This fact would have been reflected in a report by the Russian Ministry of Defense itself on the “special operation” dated 13 October.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582661420642336770

This reflects what might be a new tactic. The Shaheds might be being used as bait. It becames safer for Ukraine to launch their planes in order to avoid being destroyed on the ground in the event of the kamekaze attack, while at the same time, the launched aircraft can attempt to try to intercept the drones. The Russians it seems like, are already waiting for this, they strike at the Ukrainian aircraft, which can explain the recent streak of losses. Air defenses that try to intercept the drones are also tracked by radars to the point of origination, where other drones are launched against them, which can explain the Lancets attacking Buks and S-300s.

 

[SolarWarden]

Russian MOD had claims everyday for the last months since summer or so, about multiple HIMARS shells intercepted. And that's everyday. There are also regular interceptions of other MLRS, all supersonic and with small rocket body RCS. Since HIMARS are launched in three salvoes from three launchers, I would expect at least 18 missiles, and more if Grads are thrown in to distract defenses. However in one such famous attack on one bridge, there are only three hits. I would assume the rest are intercepted.

Buks are also meant to take out tactical missiles so Mach 1 terminal speed doesn't impress. If you are traveling very fast, the faster you go the greater is your Doppler effect and radars take advantage of that.

As for HQs and ammo depots, Russian MoD also officially claims these are being hit and destroyed everyday. Not one, but at a rate of three to six or more, and like wise with ammo depots separately. Certainly enough to cause Zelensky to keep begging for weapons. Many of those depot hits include stored HIMARS shells.

There is certainly no lack of videos of UAVs taking out all sorts of targets. This includes the barracks of one Ukrainian brigade. Not to repost pics or videos that are already posted.

Somehow you keep thinking Shahed when another UAV, the Lancet can take out repositioned targets.

The Krasnopol MLRS happens to be laser guided. Seen enough Russian videos of vehicles being taken out in one shot while they are still moving.

Russian MOD claims a lot of things like Ukraine's air force being destroyed and many HiMARS being destroyed when non have been hit.

 

[Tam]

Russian MOD claims a lot of things like Ukraine's air force being destroyed and many HiMARS being destroyed when non have been hit.

I think they are, which is why Zelensky keeps begging for more. There are certainly some videos that do show the launchers being destroyed. There is nothing about HIMARS being less vulnerable over the Grads which are also constantly destroyed by both sides. In fact the Grads are even smaller.

 

[tabu]

T-62 make sense as replenishment equipment for the rear echelons to free up T-72 and other vehicles, though in some aspects, the T-62M are better than Ukraine's polish T-72M, having a range finder a modernized ballistic computer.

T-62 vs t-72, but still, in what aspects is it better? The t-62 has already been discussed before. But you managed to find in t-62 something superior to Ukrainian t-72m. It is not an attempt to pick on. I would like to understand what you meant by