The War in the Ukraine

SolarWarden

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And the one around the Atonovsky bridge, the strikes on the villages around Belgorod and Kursk and so on. And no, I'm not talking about the electric substations.


Have they?. I'm not sure how much destruction can they really bring considering they haven't been able to bring down a bridge and has been a while since the last "they hit an ammo depot, now the Russians are really done for!!!1" event

Does a bridge need to come down for it to be missioned killed? If so why are Russians building pontoon bridges next to a bridge that hasn't come down? Why are Russians, according to their own telegrams, trapped in Kherson and using ferries and pontoons to evacuate?
It did bring a lot of destruction to that jail they hit with them. Destruction on their own soldiers, lol


With what, exactly?. HARMS that can't tell an electric box in a park from a SAM radar?.

We have seen plenty of depletion from Ukranian air defenses the last few days, though. 3 S300 batteries disabled in a week.

Ukraine is Hitting Russian SAMs With HIMARS; US Considers Future Aviation Contribution​

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Jingle Bells

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They've been overwhelming battlefield air defenses quite nicely. When Ukraine targeted the Kherson Bridge you can see Russian TOR's or Pantsyr's trying to knock them out to no avail. Bridge got killed.
Please, if an MLRS can't at least kill a bridge, then what's even the point of acquiring them. Pardon me my annoyance, but as a Chinese, I am really getting irritated with this boastful glee with the petty little HIMARS. Even its full capability (apart from nuclear tipped ballistic missiles) is laughable compare to what China can offer to the export market. HIMARS is only good for boasting the confidence of twitter readers. To any serious member of Sinodefenseforum, it's mediocre at best.

To put it bluntly and in everyday language, it would like you boasting about Chinese, or Indian, or Korea basketball teams to NBA fans: they are used to the type of intensity and basketball skill level that would make any other team outside of the USA look like junior amateur basketball. It's okey if you do it once in a while. But if you keep on doing it, well, it's not even insulting, it's awkwardly annoying.
 

SolarWarden

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There were videos two to three months back that showed their launchers and transports being take out. Also, that clip abov mentioned a hit a munition depot allegedly full of NATO supplied stuff. The HIMARS rockets are constantly and consistently being intercepted in the air.

Yeah that was not HiMARS. Plus Gen Milley said this.
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HIMARS didn't change the course of the war anymore than the M777 did. This is like saying Germany introduced the Tiger Tank and it changed the course of the war, overhyped weapon that it is. Ukraine took advantage of Russia having a considerable part of their military being rotated and their six month contracts ended. You attacked a front that was merely guarded by paramilitaries, and even those paramilitaries inflicted heavy losses. Note that the situation has begun to reverse in the Liman direction. Kherson, the Ukrainian Army suffered massive casualties and is unable to surpress the Russian artillery. Bahkmut, Soledad and Donetsk, nothing has changed there, Ukraine is still losing territory and men despite reinforcements. You can even argue that M777 with Excalibur is far more useful, and I also think that Ukrainian bloggers are full of misrepresentation, listing success done by M777 or Panzerhaubitz falsely to HIMARS.
HiMARS has changed the war those that don't believe that don't want to accept that over a dozen launchers were able to give Ukraine the offensive capability to kick out Russia from Kharkiv Oblast. Destroying Russian weapons depots played an enormous role allowing Ukraine to be in the position where it is. HiMARS is not an MLRS it's pretty much Ukraine's only capability for CAS and Interdiction. These targets being hit by HiMARS the US would have taken out with air power that is US MO but Ukraine doesn't have an air force capable to do such sorties that is where HiMARS fills that gap and now because of that Ukraine is about to take control of Kherson west of Derp river.


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RottenPanzer

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T-62 vs t-72, but still, in what aspects is it better? The t-62 has already been discussed before. But you managed to find in t-62 something superior to Ukrainian t-72m. It is not an attempt to pick on. I would like to understand what you meant by
He specifically meant T-62M variant which has more advance optics and ATGM capability contrary to T-72M
 
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