Miscellaneous News

[Andy1974]

Yes, considering all the western gear they have purchased.

Arms sales to SA won’t be about profit, but geopolitical advantage.

Any Chinese arms sales to SA won’t include J16s or any flanker derivatives since that’s the agreement between China and Russia to not export Chinese flankers. However, J10s and J31/35s would likely be in the running.

Agreed, however it could be possible for China and Russia to come to a licensing agreement.

This would in fact be ideal in one sense, in that Saudi would get geopolitical advantage from both China and Russia via a single purchase, rather than the usual route of buying fighter aircraft from UN Security Council members individually.

I don’t think it will happen though, I have been predicting for a while that J31/35 will be produced in Saudi.

Along with their already purchased ballistic missiles and laser defenses they will have a potent conventional deterrent to build on.

Enough to deter Israel and America.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

I don’t think it will happen though, I have been predicting for a while that J31/35 will be produced in Saudi.

One question I do have regarding this J-31/35 deal with Saudi Arabia is - How would Iran respond to this?

Considering that Saudi-Iran rivalry in the Middle Eastern world is still ever present today, no? How would be Iran taking counterbalances? Could Iran be sourcing Su-57/Su-75 from Russia?

Because honestly, the Qaher-313 looks more like a idea showcase than anything feasible and viable of being a 5th-generation fighter for Iranian use.

 

[baykalov]

Another beggars who no longer know where to get money. Either they want new reparations from Germany or they offer to divide the stolen Russian assets.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578382170627907586

 

[plawolf]

This is accelerating a multi-polar world. China doesn't even have to lift a finger, and US is shooting themselves in the foot.

US ‘logic’ seems to be that the more you shoot yourself in the foot, the less it matters. I guess technically they are not wrong. Shoot yourself in the foot enough times and eventually it will no longer hurt to shoot yourself more if all you got left is a stump and the bullets are just flying through the empty air where your foot used to be.

 

[Andy1974]

One question I do have regarding this J-31/35 deal with Saudi Arabia is - How would Iran respond to this?

Considering that Saudi-Iran rivalry in the Middle Eastern world is still ever present today, no? How would be Iran taking counterbalances? Could Iran be sourcing Su-57/Su-75 from Russia?

Because honestly, the Qaher-313 looks more like a idea showcase than anything feasible and viable of being a 5th-generation fighter for Iranian use.

Well, there is more than one way but let me present a radical one..

Iran, Saudi and UAE collaborate. Each nation gets the ability to print J31 airframes and can use a mixture of their indigenous systems and Chinese ones.

Over time the nations indigenize more and more. This allows the region to acquire security balance, in terms on fifth generation fighters.

 

[Biscuits]

Yes, considering all the western gear they have purchased.

Arms sales to SA won’t be about profit, but geopolitical advantage.

Any Chinese arms sales to SA won’t include J16s or any flanker derivatives since that’s the agreement between China and Russia to not export Chinese flankers. However, J10s and J31/35s would likely be in the running.

I don't see how SA wouldn't get the pick of its choice if it decided to defect to China. Not stuff like J-20 but China could certainly be enrolled in a swap program where Saudi hands over non-supported US legacy equipment in exchange for upgraded replacements from China. If America decided to start disabling services for its equipment sold to Saudi.

Aside from fighters, China can give a huge upgrade by selling the DF-21 maneuvering warheads to them, since Saudi already paid in the past for export stationary target technologies of the same missile.

DF-21D for Saudi would be an ideal weapon sale because such expensive missiles are certain to be properly used towards purposes of national deterrence instead of oppressive purposes like US weapons are used to bomb Yemeni civilians.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I don't see how SA wouldn't get the pick of its choice if it decided to defect to China. Not stuff like J-20 but China could certainly be enrolled in a swap program where Saudi hands over non-supported US legacy equipment in exchange for upgraded replacements from China. If America decided to start disabling services for its equipment sold to Saudi.

Aside from fighters, China can give a huge upgrade by selling the DF-21 maneuvering warheads to them, since Saudi already paid in the past for export stationary target technologies of the same missile.

DF-21D for Saudi would be an ideal weapon sale because such expensive missiles are certain to be properly used towards purposes of national deterrence instead of oppressive purposes like US weapons are used to bomb Yemeni civilians.

this would be a bad idea if Iran was not also accommodated. You can't give new friends something and leave old friends out. Note that there's no international sanctions on Iran (only unilateral ones), and they have the capability to pay.

 

[Temstar]

I don't see how SA wouldn't get the pick of its choice if it decided to defect to China. Not stuff like J-20 but China could certainly be enrolled in a swap program where Saudi hands over non-supported US legacy equipment in exchange for upgraded replacements from China. If America decided to start disabling services for its equipment sold to Saudi.

Aside from fighters, China can give a huge upgrade by selling the DF-21 maneuvering warheads to them, since Saudi already paid in the past for export stationary target technologies of the same missile.

DF-21D for Saudi would be an ideal weapon sale because such expensive missiles are certain to be properly used towards purposes of national deterrence instead of oppressive purposes like US weapons are used to bomb Yemeni civilians.

Handing over US weapons directly to China would be a pretty big escalation, even all else considered. Seems unlikely but suppose we entertain it, I'm sure PLA would like to get their hands on an intact M1 tank or Patriot missile.

If Iran want to trade a F-14 for something you reckon PLA would do it?

I can already see in Top Gun 3 various flavors of J-31 being the enemy.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Oh Elon you troll.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Musk reckons that conflict over Taiwan is inevitable but he is quick to point out that he won’t be alone in suffering the consequences. Tesla will be caught up in any conflict, he says, though, curiously, he seems to assume that the Shanghai factory will still be able to supply to customers in China, but not anywhere else. “Apple would be in very deep trouble, that’s for sure . . . ” he adds, not to mention the global economy, which he estimates, with precision, will take a 30 per cent hit. It may be Musk’s realisation that business decisions can no longer be made without regard to security and geopolitics — or perhaps it’s simply an arrogant belief that he has all the answers — that now leads him to offer his own solutions to the world’s most complex geopolitical problems. “My recommendation . . . would be to figure out a special administrative zone for Taiwan that is reasonably palatable, probably won’t make everyone happy. And it’s possible, and I think probably, in fact, that they could have an arrangement that’s more lenient than Hong Kong.” I doubt his proposal will be taken up.

 

[Hitomi]

Handing over US weapons directly to China would be a pretty big escalation, even all else considered. Seems unlikely but suppose we entertain it, I'm sure PLA would like to get their hands on an intact M1 tank or Patriot missile.

If Iran want to trade a F-14 for something you reckon PLA would do it?

I can already see in Top Gun 3 various flavors of J-31 being the enemy.

Did Iran ever manage to reverse engineer the F-14 wing sweep mechanism? Maybe they could let China take a look at it.