Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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ZeEa5KPul

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Just curious. Could President Xi save face and not lose credibility if he were to order the detonation of a full-yield DF-41 warhead(s) (a test similar to the 1966 one involving the DF-2) over Nop Nur once Pelosi arrives in Taipei?

Another option could be to fly two (one launch from TEL, the other from a Silo or train) DF-41s carrying dummy warheads over Taipei and the Australian Capital toward South Pacific in full-range tests to demonstrate DF-41's capabilities?

Could these be face-saving options should Pelosi press forward (which is the likely scenario now)?
Why test a nuclear weapon in China? Test it near Taiwan.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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There are so many bad takes on this thread.
  • Shooting down Pelosi's plane.
    It isn't going to be an issue. If the USAF is worth its salts, it isn't going to let PLAAF get close. The question you lots should be asking is whether USAF would fire first if PLAAF insists on intercepting Pelosi's plane. If yes, then the firefight would start long before Pelosi's plane gets into range, leaving plenty of time for her to fly away.

  • China is not ready for war yet.
    Yeah, no shit. That's why the US is going to start one before China gets ready. Do you lots really think US is going to sit idly by while China surpasses the US in every metrics?

  • China should make public the number of nuclear weapons.
    That's not how it works. If you have no warheads but the US says you have 300 warheads, then you have 300 warheads. If you have 3000 warheads but the US says you only have 300 warheads, then you have only 300 warheads. See how this works? Fixating on the public figure is meaningless.

  • Just let her land and reach a compromise.
    This is not going to work. The US hasn't shown any willingness to compromise for the past few years, what makes you lots think that is going to change now? The US isn't even willing to lift its own import tariffs that are wrecking the US's economy. The US is clearly not an entity that can be reasoned with.

  • It's just a visit, not crossing China's red line.
    Oh, but it is, because Pelosi could then announce official recognition of Taiwan as an independent state. And look, there are conveniently battle groups around Taiwan ready to offer immediate protection, and they will only get more numerous as time goes on. Fait accompli. The US couldn't hope for a better outcome: incorporate Taiwan as a forward base against China, discredit China from being able to standup to the US with the international community falls in line behind the US as a result, and last but not least wreck havoc in China's internal politics.

  • There is really nothing China can do because of sanctions blah blah.
    Ah well, I guess when push comes to shove, the US could always kick out Chinese representatives in the UN. The US could then pass any resolution it wants to punish China and China would have no choice but to comply. It's GG then and China should just surrender right now... na, just kidding. Instead of wasting time worrying about going kinetic or not, focus instead on how to go kinetic and buy another 10 years of time for China.
I agree that Washington really boxed Beijing into a corner this time. But Beijing doesn't have to respond immediately. The current force posture gives Beijing little advantage in a fight, and Washington knows it. Wang Jisi correctly argues that Washington is trying to seduce Beijing into a fight before the PLA completes its modernization or China cutting its dependence on Western high-tech products. If China were to attack in 2027 or later, it would be too late for Washington or the Anglos. For Washington, the containment of China means now or never. For Beijing, maybe it should let Pelosi pass but take her trespass as a given right to retaliate against Taiwan as a time of Beijing's own choosing (could be tomorrow, or could be several years down the road).
 

Biscuits

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Just curious. Could President Xi save face and not lose credibility if he were to order the detonation of a full-yield DF-41 warhead(s) (a test similar to the 1966 one involving the DF-2) over Nop Nur once Pelosi arrives in Taipei?

Another option could be to fly two (one launch from TEL, the other from a Silo or train) DF-41s carrying dummy warheads over Taipei and the Australian Capital toward South Pacific in full-range tests to demonstrate DF-41's capabilities?

Could these be face-saving options should Pelosi press forward (which is the likely scenario now)?
China doesn't do nuclear testing anymore.

China has no first use for a reason. They always reserved the idea to destroy enemies using conventional force only, to minimize the chance of MAD. Nuclear threats for indiscriminate destruction isn't what China does, China does highly precise conventional threats.

For this case, it is likely confirmed that China will intercept the plane, but unless US military enters Chinese airspace, they'll probably not fire on it. They may fire on ROC fighters if ROC sends fighters. More important counteractions are seizing territory across the straits, making patrols over Taiwan routine, declaring partial sea/air blockade etc.

It's actually extremely easy for the government to save face, they just need to act appalled and then raise the budget like how Scholz in Germany acted when his nation was caught completely pants down from Ukraine being invaded. They'll win sympathy points from the population, and if Xi then promises remilitarization, then it could even improve his chances to get a third term.
 

9dashline

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Just curious. Could President Xi save face and not lose credibility if he were to order the detonation of a full-yield DF-41 warhead(s) (a test similar to the 1966 one involving the DF-2) over Nop Nur once Pelosi arrives in Taipei?

Another option could be to fly two (one launch from TEL, the other from a Silo or train) DF-41s carrying dummy warheads over Taipei and the Australian Capital toward South Pacific in full-range tests to demonstrate DF-41's capabilities?

Could these be face-saving options should Pelosi press forward (which is the likely scenario now)?
It would need to be Mirved and overfly Conus.... an high alt detonation in Asia is self deafeating... have to threaten the homeland to be effective deterrence warning
 

9dashline

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I agree that Washington really boxed Beijing into a corner this time. But Beijing doesn't have to respond immediately. The current force posture gives Beijing little advantage in a fight, and Washington knows it. Wang Jisi correctly argues that Washington is trying to seduce Beijing into a fight before the PLA completes its modernization or China cutting its dependence on Western high-tech products. If China were to attack in 2027 or later, it would be too late for Washington or the Anglos. For Washington, the containment of China means now or never. For Beijing, maybe it should let Pelosi pass but take her trespass as a given right to retaliate against Taiwan as a time of Beijing's own choosing (could be tomorrow, or could be several years down the road).
Which is why the US is going forward with this even if China were to completely back down etc.... war is happening regardless....
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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It's actually extremely easy for the government to save face, they just need to act appalled and then raise the budget like how Scholz in Germany acted when his nation was caught completely pants down from Ukraine being invaded. They'll win sympathy points from the population, and if Xi then promises remilitarization, then it could even improve his chances to get a third term.
The problem for Xi is that he has too many enemies. Both the financial sector and well-connected private businesses hate him and would seek any methods possible to ruin his credibility and remove him. Only the PLA and folks at the bottom of China's society appear to be Xi's staunch supporters. Trying to be a true Marxist and get things done to make society more equal means being hated by your country's entrenched elites (whose main goal is to protect their privileges and property rights).

Therefore, I worry that Washington really got Xi this time by backing him into a corner. He has no good options.
 

horse

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Therefore, I worry that Washington really got Xi this time by backing him into a corner. He has no good options.

Intercept Pelosi's plane.

That is the one and best option.

How the intercept goes, that is a key question.

China has to do that, regardless who is in power. An unfriendly nation flies military jets towards your border, no one sits around and does nothing.

If there is an intercept, there is always a chance she gets shot down.

(Provided that Pelosi actually comes. I still don't think she coming. Chicken hawks tend to be like that.)
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Some policy makers in the Biden regime want to trigger a "Pearl Harbour" moment desperately to whip up anti-China hatred in the U.S. (yes, they don't think there is enough anti-China hatred now!) and to portray the U.S. as the "great savior" of the mankind against evil China.

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If Pelosi visits Taiwan without any incident, then one thing is certain: the Chinese government has been thoroughly infiltrated by U.S. spy ring.
Then by your implication, Xi is just a useful tool for the U.S. interest; their American candidate a.k.a. Manchurian candidate for the U.S. huh...We didn't know that after all these years, behind all that Xi's rhetoric and accomplishments he has been working his way to the top to destroy the very country he swore to protect? Why because his family was purged by Mao, where Xi was pushed to disavow his entire family even his own father? Dang!! That would be a hell of a coup and big win for America. If that's even remotely possible in alternative universe it's all over. But good thing we are not in that universe.
 
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