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Richard Santos

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The Germans didn't do much "wrong" aside than losing at Stalingrad, which forced them to withdraw the push into the Caucasus. With the threat of being cut off by the Soviet advance after Stalingrad, the Germans gave up the oil-producing regions around Grozny and Baku, and with a severely limited supply of oil for the rest of the war, they were doomed to defeat.

Even if the Germans took Moscow, it would not have harmed the Soviet war economy as the Soviets had already relocated most of their military industry to the Urals. The Germans were already stretched very thin and, without securing the oil in the Caucasus, it was not logistically practical to continue beyond Moscow.

Clausewitz was smart and his philosophies regarding realpolitick are worth paying attention to. But you can't cherry-pick one of his many writings and say that the capital should be the primary target for the invader without considering the context. Clausewitz was actually embedded with the Russian army during the French invasion of 1812, and he was there when the Russians burned Moscow to the ground for Napoleon to capture, leaving the French with a symbolic, but militarily useless victory.

Clausewitz was there when the French took the Russian capital, and he was there when the Russians refused to negotiate peace after losing Moscow, which was Napoleon's only option for a victory. Clausewitz was there when the French abandoned Moscow, starving and cold, and he was there when the Russians beat back the freezing, diseased, and shattered Grande Armée back to Western Europe. Clausewitz knows better than anyone else that capturing the capital city never guarantees success, if attempted under the wrong conditions.

In Clausewitz's own words (The Campaign of 1812 in Russia):


The Russians aren't learning from Clausewitz. In fact, it was Clausewitz himself who learned from the Russians, the value of trading territory for time.

Sorry for going off-topic. Just wanted to set the record straight.


The Germans certainly did much wrong beside losing at Stalingrad. For one thing, on strategic level they failed to maintain unity of purpose or consistency of objective in 1941. Their 1942 campaign leading up to Stalingrad again repeated the same mistake.
 

SanWenYu

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On Mar 11, in the meeting regarding the bio labs found in Ukaine by Russians, Zhang Jun, China's permanent representative to the UN, made his speech.

He started by restating China's support for the total ban and demolishing of all existing biological and chemical weapons. "The goals and principles of the Biological Weapons Convention must be respected and strictly followed."

中方高度重视生物安全问题,一贯主张全面禁止和彻底销毁包括生物武器和化学武器在内的一切大规模杀伤性武器,坚决反对任何国家在任何情况下研发、拥有或使用生物武器和化学武器,敦促尚未销毁库存化武的国家尽快完成销毁。《禁止生物武器公约》的宗旨和目标必须得到严格遵守。

He then gave Russia China's support.

"China has taken it seriously about the documents disclosed by Russia. China is concerned with the discoveries made by Russia in Ukraine. China supports Russia in demanding satisfactory answers to the questions (regarding the bio labs in Ukraine)."

"China urges the stake holders involved in the Ukrainian bio labs to commit to their obligations as convention signator, make complete disclosure and accept multilateral inspections."

生物武器是大规模杀伤性武器,任何生物军事活动的信息线索都应引起国际社会的高度关切。中方关切地注意到俄方公布的相关文件。遵守《禁止生物武器公约》是所有缔约国的义务,俄方提出的关切应得到妥善解决。中方敦促相关方切实履行公约义务,作出全面澄清,并接受多边核查。我们注意到媒体报道,世界卫生组织已经建议乌克兰政府销毁实验室的病原体,以防止疾病传播。我们期待了解更多具体信息。当前形势下,为了民众健康,确保相关实验室的安全十分重要。

In the end of his speech, he checkmated the US, asking the US to prove its own innocent with evidence. LOL.

"The US should be open and transparent about its biological weapon research activities around the world. Now that the US insists on calling the discoveries misinformation, it should clarify to the international community its involvement in the Ukrainian bio labs and prove with evidence that such involvement was not for military purposes."

刚才美国代表在发言中对中国进行无理指责,中方对此坚决反对。国际社会对美方生物军事活动早有严重关切。美国在全球有336个实验室,这是美方向《禁止生物武器公约》缔约国大会提交的数据。美方一直主张公开透明。如果美方认为有关信息是假的,完全可以公布有关证据,作出澄清,以便国际社会作出评判。

The full text of his speech (in Chinese):
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enroger

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On Mar 11, in the meeting regarding the bio labs found in Ukaine by Russians, Zhang Jun, China's permanent representative to the UN, made his speech.

He started by restating China's support for the total ban and demolishing of all existing biological and chemical weapons. "The goals and principles of the Biological Weapons Convention must be respected and strictly followed."



He then gave Russia China's support.

"China has taken it seriously about the documents disclosed by Russia. China is concerned with the discoveries made by Russia in Ukraine. China supports Russia in demanding satisfactory answers to the questions (regarding the bio labs in Ukraine)."

"China urges the stake holders involved in the Ukrainian bio labs to commit to their obligations as convention signator, make complete disclosure and accept multilateral inspections."



In the end of his speech, he checkmated the US, asking the US to prove its own innocent with evidence. LOL.

"The US should be open and transparent about its biological weapon research activities around the world. Now that the US insists on calling the discoveries misinformation, it should clarify to the international community its involvement in the Ukrainian bio labs and prove with evidence that such involvement was not for military purposes."



The full text of his speech (in Chinese):
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China should insist on UN inspection, not just into the labs in Ukraine but all 300 plus of them. And if the US veto it that means they have something to hide for sure.
 

SanWenYu

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China should insist on UN inspection, not just into the labs in Ukraine but all 300 plus of them. And if the US veto it that means they have something to hide for sure.
The Ukrainian labs, maybe. It will depend on the evidence collected by Russia.

But not other bio labs, in particular those in the US. If China did bring it up, in a counter measure, the US could demand UN inspection on the Wuhan Virology Institute. Not that China is hiding anything, it's about dignity and sovereignty. Neither side would cave in. Such motion in the UN would not go anywhere.

China allowed the visit by WHO. That's it.
 

enroger

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The Ukrainian labs, maybe. It will depend on the evidence collected by Russia.

But not other bio labs, in particular those in the US. If China did bring it up, in a counter measure, the US could demand UN inspection on the Wuhan Virology Institute. Not that China is hiding anything, it's about dignity and sovereignty. Neither side would cave in. Such motion in the UN would not go anywhere.

China allowed the visit by WHO. That's it.

I was half jesting, US already requested UN inspection on Wuhan lab it would be fun to return the gesture and expose their hypocrisy. Also half serious because there's likely something fishy going on with the US labs
 
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