Ukrainian War Developments

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One thing I disagree with is the idea of just setting up a puppet govt in Kiev would solve things for Russia. The problem is that the majority of Ukraine hates Mocows guts especially in the west. Any puppet govt would need to backed by a Russian occupying force to fight the insurgency to come. The moment Russian troops withdraw the puppet govt would collapse just like the Afghan govt did this past summer. The best way Russia can salvage anything from this war is to partition Ukraine. Russia should just go all out with their firepower to crush Ukrainian resistance and take over the eastern and southern parts. The best strategy is to set up a puppet govt in East Ukraine in the capital of Khariv. Call it the People’s Republic of East Ukraine. This way west Ukraine can be a landlocked failed state that will likely descend into civil war as the proliferation of firearms and defeat to Russia will have the Neo nazi militias fight the remnant of the Ukrainian armed forces.
Annexing East Ukraine is another option but I think to get some sanction lifted Russia will create an East Ukraine nation backed by them.
 

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There's a distinction between military resistance and civilian resistance. In Iraq and Afghanistan the formal military structures quickly collapsed and surrendered, but civilian/partisan resistance was high and eventually led to the withdrawal of American forces. Even there it didn't appear overnight and took many years of the US occupation to develop.

Before this war started I believed the Ukrainian army would collapse like it did in 2014 whenever Russian soldiers appeared on the field. I was mostly wrong on that, and there has been strong resistance on all fronts except the Kiev offensive. They are being pushed back and taking heavy losses, but they aren't giving up without a fight.

The mainstream opinion is that the Ukrainian civilians will turn into Afghans overnight and fight tooth and nail for every city. We'll have to see, but I don't think that'll happen. So far there has been little evidence of any meaningful civilian resistance in any of the towns Russia has occupied so far. A few non violent protests that look less threatening than a covid protest. So far local mayors and civilian authorities have been ok to work with Russian authorities. That may change as Russia pushes further west, but I doubt it.
If the Russians were assuming the same thing as yourself, then they are extremely hubristic. Even if that was the first assumption, they should have been prepared for multiple Groznys, though unlike Grozny, they should just surround cities in the East and the South, most of them, instead of besieging them with constant combined arms assaults for months. In Chechnya, Russia had to take Grozny in a bloody destructive fight, in Ukraine, they don't have to take most cities that way. But there might be some cities that they have to take that way.

With regards to civilians becoming partisans, it probably has not happened yet so much because of the areas that are presently occupied. If they go deep into central and western Ukraine on the other hand, they can expect that to happen.
 

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#USBiolabs in UKRAINE - DOCUMENTS RELEASED BY RUSSIA (Ministry of Defense) on 2022-03-10

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"How a journalist gets expelled from the European Parliament when asking the Assistant Secretary at the US Department of Health questions about the Pentagon bio laboratories around Russia, China and Iran." March 8th 2018
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I read Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, a Bulgarian Investigative Journalist after the SARS-CoV-2 got its popularity in 2020... her first article that I read back then was this:

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Would the Russian invasion of Ukraine be justified if it were for biodefense?

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Note: I will post this in separate post due to number of pics limitation (max of 6); initially I wanna combine the posts -- check my next post here!

Frankly there's so much info on this topic to follow the trails, to dig deeper, among others just search Twitter on various hashtags starting with the Keyword #USBiolabs... but not limited to the Twitter platform only -- #USBiolabs in Ukraine & East Europe -- from different sources in the last several days, rather challenging to put them in some organized, well presented one bigger spot. I am trying to consolidate when time allows (among daily life activities :))... just open one's eyes, mind and brain to follow the trails to the rabbit holes!!! After all we do live in the Matrix world! I hate it when one is trying shut the trails simply by labeling it "CONSPIRACY THEORY / THEORIST" as the CIA exploited it in 1964 to shun the critics on the Warren Commission Report on the Assassination of JFK. Unless they're hired for that purpose in the internet realm to mislead, create distraction, etc... they are just lazy persons parroting the MSM popular tagline.
 

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There's a distinction between military resistance and civilian resistance. In Iraq and Afghanistan the formal military structures quickly collapsed and surrendered, but civilian/partisan resistance was high and eventually led to the withdrawal of American forces. Even there it didn't appear overnight and took many years of the US occupation to develop.

Before this war started I believed the Ukrainian army would collapse like it did in 2014 whenever Russian soldiers appeared on the field. I was mostly wrong on that, and there has been strong resistance on all fronts except the Kiev offensive. They are being pushed back and taking heavy losses, but they aren't giving up without a fight.

The mainstream opinion is that the Ukrainian civilians will turn into Afghans overnight and fight tooth and nail for every city. We'll have to see, but I don't think that'll happen. So far there has been little evidence of any meaningful civilian resistance in any of the towns Russia has occupied so far. A few non violent protests that look less threatening than a covid protest. So far local mayors and civilian authorities have been ok to work with Russian authorities. That may change as Russia pushes further west, but I doubt it.
At present the war is conventional. The insurgency stage of the war hasn’t started yet. We however hear that the US and their allies are preparing for the insurgency to come. At this time you see the beginning of the insurgency with civilians with firearms and the number of civilians in the territorial defense forces. Once Russia defeats Ukraine on the field we will see the insurgency. It’s likely after Russia takes all of East and south Ukraine that we will see the war become an insurgency. Civilians can be partisans when the time is right. And if Russia pushes west that’s when things can get hairy. I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the man pads and atgms are in west Ukraine in depots. Wouldn’t be surprised if civilians are preparing ieds, mines etc. Plus this insurgency will be backed by NATO nations who have lots of resources. They can back this insurgency for a long time with manpads and atgms. And in west Ukraine they hate Russia with a passion. Any battle of Kiev will Grozny on steroids. If the Russians are smart they would focus all their energy to take over the whole east and south of Ukraine and leave west Ukraine broke, landlocked and a failed stated. Sort of what the Syrian regime did to the rebels by sending them to Idlib. Moving to the west would be foolish because as we speak there is civilians along with the military preparing for the insurgency.
 

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Your link don't work buddy. Is this the same as your claim before of Poland giving planes to the US to get them to Ukraine?
Works for me. Google translate:

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China refused to supply Russia with air parts​

China refused to supply Russia with air parts

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Moscow. March 10. INTERFAX.RU - China refused to supply Russian airlines with air parts, said Valery Kudinov, head of the department for maintaining the airworthiness of aircraft of the Federal Air Transport Agency. According to him, Russia plans to look for opportunities to supply aircraft spare parts in Turkey, India and other countries.
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"We have instructed the airline itself to determine where it has the opportunity to get these spare parts. As far as I know, such information passed that they turned to China, for example, and the Chinese refused," Kudinov told reporters at the MRO Russia & CIS conference.
"We will look for (opportunities) through other countries. Perhaps through our partners - through the Turks, maybe through India. Each company will negotiate itself - we (Rosaviatsia - IF) will simply help legalize these spare parts," Kudinov said.
On February 26, the European Union imposed sanctions that prohibit the supply of civilian aircraft and spare parts to Russia, as well as their maintenance and insurance. In addition, the sanctions oblige lessors to break existing contracts with airlines by the end of March.
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More than 200 types of goods prohibited for export from the Russian Federation by the end of the year have been identified​

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More than 200 types of goods prohibited for export from the Russian Federation by the end of the year have been identified
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Moscow. March 10. INTERFAX.RU - The Government of the Russian Federation has determined the list of goods and equipment previously imported into Russia from abroad, which until the end of 2022 are forbidden to export from the country. At the same time, a decision was made to restrict the export of certain types of timber from the Russian Federation.
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"The list includes technological, telecommunications, medical equipment, vehicles, agricultural machinery, electrical equipment - a total of more than 200 items of goods, including railway cars and locomotives, containers, turbines, machines for processing metal and stone, monitors, projectors, consoles and panels," the Cabinet of Ministers said in a statement.
The export of these goods is temporarily limited to all foreign countries, with the exception of the member states of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU), Abkhazia and South Ossetia, in respect of which the permit procedure for export, approved by a separate government decree, will apply.
Permits for the export of goods to the EAEU countries, Abkhazia and South Ossetia will be issued by the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Transport, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Digitalization and the Ministry of Natural Resources, the government noted.
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If the Russians were assuming the same thing as yourself, then they are extremely hubristic. Even if that was the first assumption, they should have been prepared for multiple Groznys, though unlike Grozny, they should just surround cities in the East and the South, most of them, instead of besieging them with constant combined arms assaults for months. In Chechnya, Russia had to take Grozny in a bloody destructive fight, in Ukraine, they don't have to take most cities that way. But there might be some cities that they have to take that way.

With regards to civilians becoming partisans, it probably has not happened yet so much because of the areas that are presently occupied. If they go deep into central and western Ukraine on the other hand, they can expect that to happen.
I've seen no evidence that Russians are expecting Ukrainian cities to be taken easily. If they were, they'd already be assaulting Kiev.

The K/D for the Russians in the second battle for Grozny was 10 to 1. If you include civilians it was more like 20 to 1. It was a bloodbath....for the Chechens.
 

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Would the Russian invasion of Ukraine be justified if it were for biodefense?

By Robert W Malone MD, MS - 09 MAR 2022

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Before I was de-platformed by Twitter for posting the famously accurate Canadian
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before I was de-platformed by LinkedIn for the same reason, before the infamous
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where I said the three little words “mass formation psychosis” that caused the Silicon Valley overlords to loose bladder control, many feared that I was “controlled opposition”. And for good reason.

I have spent most of my career deeply involved in the US Biodefense enterprise. I have worked closely with biodefense research teams at USAMRIID, DTRA, and MIT Lincoln Lab. I was once a business partner with a retired CIA officer who was deeply involved in the DoD biodefense enterprise, and I have co-published with another. I once worked for the Dynport Vaccine Company, which had the DoD contract for “advanced development” (basically, clinical testing) of virtually all biodefense medical countermeasures for the US Department of Defense. My father worked as a federal defense contractor all his life, as did my father in law. In my father’s case, it was mostly in high energy systems- including developing technologies for protection against the electromagnetic surge effects of “the bomb” as well as exploding foil – the technology used to trigger “the bomb”. My father in-law ran the Raytheon special projects division – basically a CIA gadget and technology shop. Think “Q” from the James Bond series. This is a byzantine world that I have deep understanding of, and direct experience with for virtually my entire life. I lived by the mantra which all DC bureaucrats know – keep your head down, because if they cannot see you, they cannot shoot you.

But I never really allowed myself to confront the possibility that we might not be the good guys, the white hats. Until I experienced what we have all been through over the last two years. A government (or really multiple governments) that clearly believes that it is justified in disregarding fundamental principles of bioethics and the common rule. And like many others, once I saw that, it was like having backed into a light switch and suddenly the entire room was lit up, and I could never un-see what was revealed. Are we always the good guys? Or is this just more interchangeable Spy vs Spy, where ethics and roles and fungible and “situational”. A world in which there are no good guys, no white hats. Just a matter of media spin, perspective, and realpolitik. The world as envisioned by Henry Kissinger and Klaus Schwab.

And by the way, “biodefense” is big business. Yet more weapons of war.

Most of us that are not deep into the mass formation process at this point can see the coordinated pivot from legacy media pushing the COVID fear-porn to the same outlets pushing the “Putin crazy bad man - Zelenskyy good man” theme. But almost as soon as the shooting war started, a more nuanced and complex counter-narrative cropped up.
  • That is the deep ties between children of key Democratic party leaders and Ukrainian petroleum industry interests.
  • And the USA-sponsored bioweapon research facilities located throughout Ukraine, including along the Russian border.
  • And the legitimate Russian concerns about NATO efforts to geopolitically encircle Russia.
  • And the issue of whether Zelenskyy is really just a western puppet, rather than being the populist leader that has been pitched to us.
  • And the surreptitious hand of World Economic Foundation meddling in all of this.
Things started looking a lot more complicated that just “Putin crazy bad man - Zelenskyy good man”.

I love to illustrate key points with stories based on personal experience. I have been told by people who would know (including Major General (ret.) Philip K. Russell, MD), that over many decades, the total expenditures of the US Government in developing biowarfare agents exceeded the money spent on thermonuclear weapons. A case can be made that modern understanding and technology relating molecular biology, microbiology, and virology is fundamentally a “civilian” byproduct of a massive investment in biowarfare tech by US, USSR, and other governments.

The latest evolution of these technologies is that we appear to have the CCP of the People’s Republic of China, which seems to recognize no ethical boundaries, pushing the limits of the brave new world of “transhumanism”. Which in turn becomes a justification for western nations basically making the argument that “since they are doing it, we have to do it”. An increasingly sophisticated next generation of biological warfare. Where people become the weapons of choice for governments that give us no choice. For further on that, please see our prior Substack "
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Back to my story to illustrate just what we are up against here, as told by those I used to hang with (who may be inflating their self importance). The history that was relayed to me is that the real event which catalyzed the fall of the former Soviet Union was actually the development breakthrough of a binary (two part) bioweapon which could be delivered via an airborne route. So lethal was this weapon, that it could basically stop tank commanders and their crews in their tracks. According to this version of reality, the major military tension and strategic concern between the former USSR and Western Europe involved Russian Tank battalions which were poised to be able to blitzkrieg all the way to the English Channel. A threat which the western European states were acutely aware of, consequent to Hitler having successfully deployed the same strategy. The west basically had no way to mitigate this threat, or so the story goes, so it was always hanging over any geopolitical tensions which would arise from time to time between the European NATO states and the USSR. Apparently the binary biologic was so potent that it would kill or incapacitate the tank crews so quickly that it negated the risk of blitzkrieg. Of course, this is just one story, told to me by friends in high places - so unverified. Be that as it may.

The point is that biological warfare agents are potent, cheap, easy to manufacture (particularly compared to thermonuclear devices), readily deployed, and have changed the tide of history on many occasions. Back to the “Indian” wars, where smallpox was basically weaponized from time to time against indigenous peoples in North America. And probably all the way back through recorded history.

So now we have the emerging rich documentation of US sponsored bio labs scattered across what had increasingly become the US client state called Ukraine.

If you want to dip your toe into that topic, dive down that rabbit hole, please see the following:

“EXCLUSIVE: Deleted Web Pages Show Obama Led an Effort To Build a Ukraine-Based BioLab Handling ‘Especially Dangerous Pathogens’”
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“BREAKING: Biden official says US working with Ukraine to prevent bio research facilities from falling into Russian hands”
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“US Embassy Quietly Deletes All Ukraine Bioweapons Lab Documents Online – Media Blackout”
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“China urges U.S. to release details of bio-labs in Ukraine”
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“China urges US to reveal details of US-backed biological labs in Ukraine – including types of viruses stored”
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“Russia Negotiator Charges It Now Has Evidence of ‘Biological Weapons Components’ in Ukraine That Show ‘Good Reason’ for Invasion”
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“WHAT HAVE FAUCI’S FRIENDS BEEN UP TO IN UKRAINE?”
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Here’s the point. Once upon a time, the US engaged in thermonuclear war brinksmanship with the USSR because of Russian missiles being placed on Cuban soil. The weapons of war have evolved. Bioweapons technologies have matured. What would the USA do if Russia was transforming Mexico into a client state and had placed biowarfare research laboratories along our southern border. Would we invade? I strongly suspect so.

Are “we” the good guys or the bad guys here?

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