Ukrainian War Developments

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sheogorath

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Downed UAV and amoured train.
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Wrekage of Soviet era UAV. Looks like someone was about to take a piece home. A windfall.

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Russia sent amoured train to escort the civilian train evacuating civilian by railway from Kherson to Armiansk in Crimea.

Photo of the train on social media:

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Later confirmed by TASS and Zvezda:

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Must be a Tu-141/143, probably Ukrainian. They are the only one building and operating the things in a recon role
 

gelgoog

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OK, maybe the US will take some electronic kit out before handover to UAF? Those MiGs will have been upgraded during their 30+ years with NATO.
The Polish MiGs were upgraded by Israel. The other ones were not and a lot are not operational. Even the Polish MiG-29s would at best have similar capabilities to the MiG-29SMT. An aircraft Russia took out from service because, well, it was shit. And the Russian Air Force only bought those MiG-29SMT because Algeria rejected the aircraft. They were in service for a couple of years and then were put into storage. The RuAF's only combat operational MiG-29s are in Armenia and those are MiG-29M2 aircraft.

Putin isn't going to nuke anybody. Why? Because he's not suicidal.
Eh, you are not a Cold Warrior then. Do you not know the theories of limited nuclear exchange of the 1960s-1970s?

There are multiple scenarios where you would use a limited strike with tactical nukes. One would be to hit the assembly areas of the enemy. In the case of NATO this was typically large Soviet army formations. In the case of the Warsaw Pact this was typically NATO airbases. This supposedly should prevent a conventional escalation. At least according to one theory. You escalate with nuclear weapons to deescalate conventional war. The first thing Putin did before he marched into Ukraine was put the MiG-31K with Kinzhal on duty in Kaliningrad. But you people still think he is just joking around. Tsk.

Kinzhal has 2000km+ range and either conventional or nuclear 100-500kT (programmable) warhead. The A-Bomb the US dropped at Hiroshima had 20kT. If the US sent those MiG-29 from Poland from Rammstein Airbase in Germany into Ukraine then it would a valid target to use a tactical nuke on. As the largest US NATO airbase in Europe.

If NATO then follows the tactical nuke scenario of the 1960s-1970s then they would use their nukes on the Russian troop formations in Ukraine to prevent the Russian Army from invading Europe. This would likely also hit Ukrainian cities. Then if you continue with this Cold War scenario to its logical conclusion, the Warsaw Pact forces would retaliate on losing half their army with an all out strategic nuclear strike. Every single target on the map would light up.

Malyshev Plant in Kharkov, home of the T-80 is destroyed.
This is sad. Kharkov is the home of the T-34. It was designed and first produced at Factory No.183 there.
Oh well. NATO also bombed the Zastava factory in Serbia. So Putin is just playing by the NATO rulebook.
I guess he was not joking when he said he was going to show them what decomunization was really like.

Things are going well. As it has been stated before in this thread, seems the US and EU overplayed their hand and things are going to unravel fast
Those guys in the Middle East seem to be kind of tired of the US. You do know Saudi Arabia nearly ruined itself in an oil production war with Russia not that long ago right? They are not interested into getting in another.
 
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LesAdieux

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Interesting how touchy the West is when it comes to Zelensky and any accusations of neo-Nazism in Ukraine. I guess primarily it's because that was one of Putin's excuses for the invasion. The biggest counter the West has is Zelensky is half Jewish as if somehow that precludes him from any white supremacist associations. What about that professor, who is Jewish, where she recently called for Asians to be discriminated against in immigrating to the US? Back in the late 1800s in the US leading towards the Chinese Exclusion Act Jewish synagogues let the Klan have anti-Chinese meetings there. Was it because there's a belief in white supremacy among Jews or was it because it took the Klan's attention off of Jews so they went along? Some of the most prominent anti-China voices in American politics are Jewish. Is it because there are so many of them or do they hide behind Jewish voices to discount any accusations of racism? So where does it say that Jews can't be associated with white supremacy?

don't worry, Jews always got what they deserved.

Zelensky is Jewish, does he have a story like: how did my grandparents survive the Holocaust? his hanging out with the Ukrainian nazi may imply his grandparents were collaborators.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Eh, you are not a Cold Warrior then. Do you not know the theories of limited nuclear exchange of the 1960s-1970s?
It seems one of the biggest casualties of 20 years of the "war on terror" has been the loss of the nuclear doctrine in the US military.

That's then there's countries like Poland, France and the UK, who never had any real experience of it as they were under the umbrella of another nuclear power.
 

lube

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Will they change their tune if US gives them weapons?

From the WSJ article:

Mr. Biden also publicly castigated Saudi Arabia over its protracted war in Yemen and cut off the flow of some weapons Riyadh could use to target Houthis. The president also reversed a move by his predecessor that put the Houthis on America’s official list of global terrorist groups, a move that Saudi leaders said had emboldened the Yemeni force and thwarted efforts to broker a cease-fire.

On Monday, Ms. Psaki said the president stood by his view that Saudi Arabia should be treated like a “pariah” state and that the leadership had little redeeming social value.

When asked in an interview with the Atlantic magazine released last week if Mr. Biden misunderstood the Saudi leader, Prince Mohammed responded: “Simply, I do not care.”

Prince Mohammed said alienating the Saudi leaders would hurt the U.S. president. “It’s up to him to think about the interests of America,” he said. “Go for it.”

Don't think weapons will help.
The Saudis hold the leverage here and they'll milk every drop of this crisis along with the Iranians and Venezuelans.

Russia is getting some breathing space from this poor diplomacy.
 
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