Ukrainian War Developments

Status
Not open for further replies.

HereToSeePics

Just Hatched
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Registered Member
But lots of Asian banks are not willing to fund Russian purchases due to fear of secondary sanctions. How do they go around that? Especially when the US is trying to find excuses to sanction Chinese entities.

1. Create a new entity(bank) in China.
2. Open accounts for Russian exporters
3. Exporters sells energy/metals/ag-products to Chinese companies
4. Chinese companies pay Russian exporters by depositing yuan in their accounts in newly created bank

Russian exporters now have yuan to purchase Chinese goods and yuan accounts to receive payments from anyone with yuan. Since this new bank has no connection to USD, it cant be sanctioned by the United States or Nato countries. This new bank can also do business with other Chinese Banks since Chinese banks are under no obligation to disclose transactions to the US banking authorities for yuan based transactions.
 

windsclouds2030

Senior Member
Registered Member
According to Tass, Russian MOD spokesman just officially announced that foreign mercenaries captured will not have POW status and will face criminal charges.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
Just send all the captured mercenary for long serving growing agriculture in the Deep Far East of Russian Federation... they must do their physical labor to earn their meals every single day! No physical work no eating... minimum tenure of service is 10 years!

Russian people should be able to do something better and more humane than the water boarding and other cruel practices in the US Guantanamo camp and other CIA Rendition program detentions.
 

windsclouds2030

Senior Member
Registered Member
1. Create a new entity(bank) in China.
2. Open accounts for Russian exporters
3. Exporters sells energy/metals/ag-products to Chinese companies
4. Chinese companies pay Russian exporters by depositing yuan in their accounts in newly created bank

Russian exporters now have yuan to purchase Chinese goods and yuan accounts to receive payments from anyone with yuan. Since this new bank has no connection to USD, it cant be sanctioned by the United States or Nato countries. This new bank can also do business with other Chinese Banks since Chinese banks are under no obligation to disclose transactions to the US banking authorities for yuan based transactions.
Sounds logical still the Empire can threaten to fire crazily to ALL directions, earth scorching strategy... what deter them to try to threaten that if China employs such scheme then they will shut China from dollar use / SWIFT altogether?

I think the only situation that we all really don't know in precise if such threat is deployable and whether or not China may also threaten back to go nuclear... if the Empire goes that far then China will sever the dollar use and accept no dollar/euro/pound sterling/etc for China's product.

Just go to econ-fin MAD situation,,, who's stronger then... we don't have the clear answer... but threats are the usual Empire's weapons even often times the empty ones were fired... OTOH hardly see China throws in any threat. I just think deductively... if the Empire's "death warrant threat" is so holy... then Donald Trump would have employed the kill switch to decimate China after all the failure in his trade war!

As said by other more senior members here, Trump has used up all the Empire's trump cards to defeat China (sans the first hot nuclear strikes!)
 

GodRektsNoobs

Junior Member
Registered Member
The Ukrainian government claimed that the An-225 in the airbase near Kiev had been destroyed. Then people showed live video that it had not. So the Ukrainian government bombed the airbase, which had been captured and held by the Russians, with phosphorous ammunition using long range artillery stationed inside Kiev.

The Ukrainians have run a racket around nuclear cleanup of Chernobyl for decades already. The EU has spent billions on the place including making a huge sarcophagus which many nuclear experts said was kind of over the top. The Ukrainian government also hinted even years back that Ukraine's nuclear power plants would explode and make an issue larger than Chernobyl in case of conflict with Russia. Some even said that because of this Ukraine already had nuclear weapons they could explode against Russia in case of attack. Oh hum. I am not sure they know how nuclear power plants are supposed to work.

These are all desperate actions which will take the Ukrainians nowhere. As for those talks about how the Russians will capture Kiev any day now, how there is a major Russian traffic jam on the north of Kiev. Well. I doubt the Russians will enter Kiev before Kharkiv falls. Right now they are just sieging Kiev. They will likely sweep the cities in the East and South first, then concentrate all their forces including the 20,000 Chechens to this attack on Kiev.

The big actions right now are the cleanup of Mariupol and Kharkiv. After that it will be the encirclement of Odessa and the closing of positions on the Eastern and Central pockets in a double envelopment.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Russian Channel 1 reporter standing in front of the destroyed An-225 at Gostomel airport. RIP to the beautiful giant and curses to the Ukrainians for destroying it using indiscriminate artillery strikes.
 

Vatt’ghern

Junior Member
Registered Member
When you consider that the West is in its mind, waging a religious crusade against Putinism and Orthodox Christianity, it does make a lot of sense why the stupidity involving banning cats and Tchaikovsky
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

This is but another bloody 30 years' type war between westerners over who gets to be top dog of caucasian white people. Used to be the Spaniards were top dog but then came the Anglos and Franks and teutones and now Muscovite Rus as well!!
 

Richard Santos

Captain
Registered Member
I just don't understand why Ukraine cannot accept Finland model of accommodating Russian concern for security. While at the same time Finland is free, democratic, and wealthy nation

After the
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
of 1947, Finland succeeded in retaining
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, despite the heavy political pressure on Finland's foreign and internal affairs by the Soviet Union.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
were guided by the doctrine formulated by
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, emphasising the necessity to maintain a good and trusting relationship with the Soviet Union.

Finland signed an
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
with the Soviet Union in April 1948, under which Finland was obliged to resist armed attacks by "Germany or its allies" against Finland, or against the Soviet Union through Finland, and, if necessary, ask for Soviet military aid to do so. At the same time, the agreement recognised Finland's desire to remain outside
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
conflicts, allowing the country to adopt a policy of
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
during the
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.


As a consequence, Finland did not participate in the
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and took neutral positions on Soviet overseas initiatives. By keeping very cool relations to
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and western military powers in general, Finland could fend off Soviet pressure for affiliation to the
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

there are 2 reasons. The first is obvious. Russia is much weaker today than Soviet Union was in 1947.


The second requires, for those brought up under a communist regime, a look at hard history that is not to orthodox communist liking,

The basis of the second is both Finland and ukraine was part of czarist Russian empire before the October revolution. However there the similarity in their experience with the Russians ended,

Even though the Fins were not fellow Slavs, they nonetheless were a privileged minority under czarist Russian rule, because the fins supplied a disproportionate number of military officers, technocrats and bureaucrats to the czarist regime.

More importantly, Finland gained her independence with the fall of the czarist regime, and was able to retain her independence. So Finland was outside the Soviet Union during Stalin’s collectivization, so ordinary fins did not suffer the privation collectivization brought to much of USSR in 1920s and 1930s.

the only major bad experience the Fins had with the Russians were the result of the winter war in 1939-1940, and the continuation war in 1941-1945. The memory of these were bitter, but not nearly as bitter as, for example, chinese memory of the Japanese invasion of 1937-1945.

contrast that with Ukrainian experience with the russians. Ukranians were under Russian domination, both czarist Russia and the Soviet Union, for much longer. When czarist Russians took ukraine they immediately dispossessed much of Ukrainian nobility, so both the Ukrainian aristocracy and intelligentsia were hostile to Russia to start with. Ukrainian peasantry, paradoxically did relatively week compared to Russian peasantry, and a much higher percentage owned their own land,

although ukraine also briefly gained her independent]cd with the fall of the czarist regime, the independence was crushed by Lenin’s Bolsheviks very quickly. ukraine returned to russian rule under the Soviet Union. During the Stalin era, Ukrainian peasantry, which had a high percentage of private land ownership, bitterly resisted Stalin’s collectivization efforts. Stalin ruthlessly in crushing this resistance By confiscating the harvests by force and leaving Ukrainian land owning peasantry to starve, As a result, perhaps 25% of ukrainian peasantry starved to death. Ukrainian memory of this was bitter indeed. Equal to or or more bitter than Chinese memory of the Nanjing massacre and the Japanese “three-all” policy.

This bitter legacy is something communists do not admit because the degree of brutality the stalin commited against the UkrainIan’s would seem to discredit communism, but it is true.

this is perhaps the main underlying reason why the Ukrainians are vastly more hostile to accommodation with Russia than the Fins.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top