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BoraTas

Major
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Beautiful friendship between the Danes, America, and Germany. Spying on each other and being used to spy on your fellow ally at the behest of the most benevolent country and champion of human rights in the world, U.S.A. lol

I found a few interesting things in the article.

"The information they gathered made it clear that the FE had helped the NSA to spy on leading politicians in Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and France, as well as Germany."

It is interesting that the US spies on all of its allies. Including very pro-US ones like Norway. It is also interesting that another country from the same alliance joins this despite bordering the target countries.

"Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer."

Spying on your own country for a foreign country. Introduction to treason 101.

"The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself."

Well... This is getting weird. The NSA is committing treason too. Why would the US spy on itself? Are there extrajudicial mechanisms in the US to keep the bureaucrats in line? How this is even democratic? This straight out of the Soviet Union's playbook.

"Patrick Sensburg, who led the German parliamentary committee to investigate the NSA spying scandal, was not surprised by the news. For the lawmaker from Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), it is important to understand what drives secret services.

"It's not about friendships. It's not about moral-ethical aspirations. It's about pursuing interests," he told NDR."


Germans are again very rational.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
I found a few interesting things in the article.

"The information they gathered made it clear that the FE had helped the NSA to spy on leading politicians in Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and France, as well as Germany."

It is interesting that the US spies on all of its allies. Including very pro-US ones like Norway. It is also interesting that another country from the same alliance joins this despite bordering the target countries.

"Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer."

Spying on your own country for a foreign country. Introduction to treason 101.

"The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself."

Well... This is getting weird. The NSA is committing treason too. Why would the US spy on itself? Are there extrajudicial mechanisms in the US to keep the bureaucrats in line? How this is even democratic? This straight out of the Soviet Union's playbook.

"Patrick Sensburg, who led the German parliamentary committee to investigate the NSA spying scandal, was not surprised by the news. For the lawmaker from Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), it is important to understand what drives secret services.

"It's not about friendships. It's not about moral-ethical aspirations. It's about pursuing interests," he told NDR."


Germans are again very rational.
Tell that to those bleeding hearts imperialists and fascists who calls themselves "green party" socialists in Germany
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
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"Cultural genocide"?

When tens of thousands of children are ripped from their families and put in a place where thousands of them died, this isn't cultural genocide. It's an actual genocide.
Come on bud, you ought to know by now that Canadians are so good at virtue signaling b.s. and woke culture. Remember Canada is known and embraced by Canadians as the peacekeeping force - innocent white faces - less dangerous than their American counterparts. I guess that's why their Somalian misadventure got clobbered because their military was found to have been responsible for abuse, torture and it's a good thing that Jean Chretien had balls of steel to disband the Canadian Airborne Regiment. The controversy was known as the "Somalian Affair" in Canada.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I don't disagree that China's system is unique in the world, for now at least. However, to say that it is not socialist ignores the mountain of Marxist theory that went into building this system.
What is a mountain? If it also incorporates another mountain of free market/capitalism, and then another mountain of self-invented ideas, then it is no longer Marxism or socialism. If you took 15 different spices and added 10 of your own to make a dish, then McCormack, which makes 5 of those spices, cannot say you are making a McCormack recipe.
After the collapse of the USSR, many formerly socialist nations jumped on the Western capitalist bandwagon. However, of all those "new capitalist" nations, only China achieved success, and it is my belief that this success is due to the CPC adhering to Marxist principles.
Like I said, some main components of China's success like massive wealth boom leading to the fastest creation of billionaires in the world, as well as the increasing lust for wealth and the means to show it off in this Chinese generation do not adhere to the core principle of socialism, which is to create social class equality. The things you pointed out as adherent are just commonalities among successful societies, with China not particularly socialistic-leaning on the spectrum compared to even some captalistic societies.

China's success is due to its efficient one party control with ability to evolve, incorporating new ideas while removing failed ones as well as the intelligence, hard-working nature, and ambition for personal wealth seen in China's massive population.
This time i will pass your provocative style of communication.
It's only provocative to you because it frankly points out the failings in your views and your English. It contains no ad hominems or rule violations while you could not stop yourself because you cannot point these things out about me.
I'll just point you some things, like Marx's Das Kapital is a UN cultural heritage.
Is that true? I Googled, "Das Kapital"+"UN Cultural heritage'" and got no returns. Can you show the evidence?
His scripts motivated and motivate billions of people, so you're just a little bit...little to judge his work. He was the first thinker to put the matter of human well being and social evolution as a whole in the academic arena (political economy, philosophy) when no one dared or had the intellectual capability to do it. If you take a look (I mean read, not google and wiki) on political economy and philosophy proexisted Marx, like Thomas Hobbes(Leviathan), John Locke, even some parts of Adam Smith( That "invisible hand" invention is by him ), Kant and DesCartes, you will probably grow brain cancer.
Saying that reading something will give you brain cancer means it's loaded with nonsensical garbage. Is that what you mean or is this another mistake you made in English?
Believe me, these are the basic ideas and principals of the Liberals and Liberalism. By result, what do you think, Marx was right to criticise Liberalism? That Liberalism that led children to work 12hours in factories...Child labour abolished with bloody struggles of people motivated by Marxian ideas. The core of Marx's ideas are yet to be decomposed even by nowdays thinkers. In contrary CPC for example set it's principals on Marxism and try to evolve it. Marxism is not a dogma.Anyway, have a good time!
That sounds to me like you're saying that they started Marxist, and then because it didn't work, they evolved it and changed it into to something that did. And that something that did, has many more things in common with capitalism/free markets and people working very hard for very little hoping to make it one day. Everybody who tried communism/socialism/Marxism without morphing it into something that is arguably unrecognizable has wrecked their societies. So, it's just like I said before, if you built a "plane" that doesn't fly, and someone else rebuilt it to fly (by adding wings and engines for example), you don't get credit for making a flying design. All of China's credit goes to China alone for the Chinese system.
 
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ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
Come on bud, you ought to know by now that Canadians are so good at virtue signaling b.s. and woke culture. Remember Canada is known and embraced by Canadians as the peacekeeping force - innocent white faces - less dangerous than their American counterparts. I guess that's why their Somalian misadventure got clobbered because their military was found to have been responsible for abuse, torture and it's a good thing that Jean Chretien had balls of steel to disband the Canadian Airborne Regiment. The controversy was known as the "Somalian Affair" in Canada.
@Bellum_Romanum bro if we rank among the 5 eyes the most abusive and cruelty 1) UK 2) US 3) AUSTRALIAN 4) CANADIAN 5) NZ. So definitely we agree on the 1st 2nd and 5th , the major debate and contention is the 3rd place now if Japan wishes to enter the alliance she win hands down putting the rest to shame...lol.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
I found a few interesting things in the article.

"The information they gathered made it clear that the FE had helped the NSA to spy on leading politicians in Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and France, as well as Germany."

It is interesting that the US spies on all of its allies. Including very pro-US ones like Norway. It is also interesting that another country from the same alliance joins this despite bordering the target countries.

"Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer."

Spying on your own country for a foreign country. Introduction to treason 101.

"The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself."

Well... This is getting weird. The NSA is committing treason too. Why would the US spy on itself? Are there extrajudicial mechanisms in the US to keep the bureaucrats in line? How this is even democratic? This straight out of the Soviet Union's playbook.

"Patrick Sensburg, who led the German parliamentary committee to investigate the NSA spying scandal, was not surprised by the news. For the lawmaker from Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), it is important to understand what drives secret services.

"It's not about friendships. It's not about moral-ethical aspirations. It's about pursuing interests," he told NDR."


Germans are again very rational.

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