Ladakh Flash Point

[Numbez]

Oh man I am anxious about what the spin doctors are hiding. If this is something that even the might Indian media couldn't spin, it could be big.

Yeah, I feel your instincts are right. I'm seeing a lot of unsubstantiated rumors right now but things aren't looking good, in fact if the rumors hold any water it may have been catastrophic.

 

[localizer]

Maybe they shot the tibetan guy thinking he was chinese spy.

It sounds like some major fuckup on their part.

 

[jfy1155]

Scenario:
Indian soldiers fired warning shots and did not expect PLA troops fired back at them

 

[siegecrossbow]

Scenario:
Indian soldiers fired warning shots and did not expect PLA troops fired back at them

They can always spin it as China firing first if that's the case.

 

[Maxef208]

As we all know, PLA is well disciplined and they strictly follow rules of engagement, don't fire unless fired upon.
Alleged place of conflict is around the semi-circle shoreline on the south bank, where I believe PLA JLTV CSK-181 is accessible, as there's already a nearby road going up Black top from the north side.
If indeed Indian light infantry shot at the PLA's JLTV, alleged to be around 10 of them, and their truck mobile infantry, it would definitely be a bad day for them.
No doubt there would have been be a few backup PLA mechanized infantry in IFV's in close proximity behind the JLTV's, closely watching the whole thing with drones.
At least Indian troops would have been rounded up and pictures taken for posterity.

I'm seriously wondering if this is going to be another case of some Rogue Indian Army soldiers doing w/e they wanna do and not what top brass want them to do. Either way it looks bad. If they are acting on their own volition, it means they have no discipline and are willing to start an actual conflict likely to even up the score of dead, or the top brass really are dumb enough to want to start a war now that their economy is tanking and covid is being handled terribly, thinking they got nothing to lose.

Oh man I am anxious about what the spin doctors are hiding. If this is something that even the might Indian media couldn't spin, it could be big.

If they are really playing it as "warning shots" and they received 13 casualties, it means they shot at PLA troops, missed, and the PLA troops they were shooting at had way more range time.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I'm seriously wondering if this is going to be another case of some Rogue Indian Army soldiers doing w/e they wanna do and not what top brass want them to do. Either way it looks bad. If they are acting on their own volition, it means they have no discipline and are willing to start an actual conflict likely to even up the score of dead, or the top brass really are dumb enough to want to start a war now that their economy is tanking and covid is being handled terribly, thinking they got nothing to lose.



If they are really playing it as "warning shots" and they received 13 casualties, it means they shot at PLA troops, missed, and the PLA troops there were shooting at had way more range time.

Nah if they got 13 casualties then the PLA must've suffered 13*2+4 = 30 casualties at least. Everything is fine.

 

[jfy1155]

Modi government is still very silent about the incident

 

[sklow84]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1303035475674804226

It seems black and Helmet Top fully secured.

 

[Dolcevita]

So, there's nothing here I really disagree with. I just think my first question is being read out of context. I asked in my original post why people thought there was no permanent border solution, and now you've given your answer. I think it's a pretty good one. I do believe the Indians are jockeying for position, but it's possible for both sides to do that. Reactive countermeasures can also include putting on the pressure to achieve some larger goal.

Essentially. China has been trying to settle the borders with India since the 1950's and India has been unwilling to negotiate. India sees themselves as the successor to the British India and inherit all the unilateral claims set forth by the British. None of the British Claims was ever agreed upon by China. China was weak at the time and India did not see it fit to negotiate and see themselves as inheritor of the British claim, regardless of it's legitimacy. This series of events led to the 1962 war and not much has changed since then except that China is much stronger now.

Pakistan and Bangladesh would still be part of the British-inherited India were it not for the their own war for independence.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Essentially. China has been trying to settle the borders with India since the 1950's and India has been unwilling to negotiate. India sees themselves as the successor to the British India and inherit all the unilateral claims set forth by the British. None of the British Claims was ever agreed upon by China. China was weak at the time and India did not see it fit to negotiate and see themselves as inheritor of the British claim, regardless of it's legitimacy. This series of events led to the 1962 war and not much has changed since then except that China is much stronger now.

I think Zhou Enlai was willing to trade Aksai Chin for South Tibet. However, any concessions on the part of the Chinese were seen as weakness.