Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[localizer]

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An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation before dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee [source]

 

[tidalwave]

Might be a costly lesson as you say, but I think China knew there wasn't a snowball chance they were gonna ever get paid that $1 trillion back (COVID or no COVID), and that was already in the analysis from the get go.

They increased their holding near end of last yr or beginning of this year.

They got some dummies working for them.

Maybe the word is obtuse or half step behind like how they handle the virus thing at the beginning

 

[tidalwave]

Whats making EU countries upset is all the countries not just one complained China virus test kits don't work, and they all ditched them. The tests only work for patients with severe case of the illness. That probably shows product being too rush to come out ,trying to make fast bucks. It didn't account for all scenarios. The product shouldn't rush out like that

 

[localizer]

They increased their holding near end of last yr or beginning of this year.

They got some dummies working for them.

Maybe the word is obtuse or half step behind like how they handle the virus thing at the beginning

The ones working for China are proud of their Western education, they all work off the same economic theory.

We've been poisoned left and right.

 

[tidalwave]

The ones working for China are proud of their Western education, they all work off the same economic theory.

We've been poisoned left and right.

Yup by guys like chen damin, Zhou xuaochuan, Liu he. They hang around with wallstreet panda huggers too much like Henry Paulson.
And you got guy like Xi who is not very educated and feel insecure and surround himself with Western educated and Pro reform guys.

 

[manqiangrexue]

They increased their holding near end of last yr or beginning of this year.

US treasuries will never be the same again if they default. The entire US economy is based on global trust; if they destroy that for some money from China, then it's a bargain for China.

They got some dummies working for them.

Maybe the word is obtuse or half step behind like how they handle the virus thing at the beginning

An insect's insult to lions LOL

 

[localizer]

Yup by guys like chen damin, Zhou xuaochuan, Liu he. They hang around with wallstreet panda huggers too much like Henry Paulson.
And you got guy like Xi who is not very educated and feel insecure and surround himself with Western educated and Pro reform guys.

US treasuries will never be the same again if they default. The entire US economy is based on global trust; if they destroy that for some money from China, then it's a bargain for China.

An insect's insult to lions LOL

What's wrong is not reform and free market.

What's destroying the world is government spending too much and printing more money than the economy can handle.

 

[Dolcevita]

Why does everyone keep reminding me of the Wuhan wet market? I have never asserted that the wet market is the only starting place. Never! My conclusion has always been Wuhan and other places in China.

Also, with regard to the haplotypes, please check out pages 7 and 8 of the paper that I cited. Every haplotype can be traced back to a connection with Chinese cities, Wuhan, Shenzhen, etc.

As I have mentioned many times before, I have never asserted that the Wuhan wet market is the ONLY starting place. Even when I argued about why the Chinese should ban the wet markets sometime ago, I specifically said "it may not be the wet market in Wuhan, but it could be a wet market somewhere else. the chances of a virus jumping onto a human is a lot higher at these wet markets." I have never pinpointed the wet market in Wuhan as the only place. Please don't try to use the evidence of "no connection with the Wuhan wet market" against me. I have never said the wet market is the only place. I've said it 3 times. Hope everyone keep that in mind.

All epidemiological data still point China as the original location. The genomic variations still have the Chinese strains as the starting ones.

I made no reference to wet market other than what was quoted on the paper you provided. Anyway no worries as it is stressful times and we all have tendency to be misinterpret and be defensive in forum type settings.

Here is the point I am not understanding from you. You mentioned that "All epidemiological data still point China as the original location. The genomic variations still have the Chinese strains as the starting ones." Perhaps factually correct based on the paper you provided. Nonetheless for contect, The paper you presented is heavily dependent on a data-set that is every China centric or China-travel-related from February, Hence it would have been better if you qualified your opinion better, The inference you made is self-fulfilling if data set for the paper are focused to known China-related case at the time. I would perhaps be more careful using it as evidence but would not make such a bold inference.

The paper suggest on page 10 and Page 19 that the source of origin can so far be traced to H13 and H38. No inference that it ORGINATED in Wuhan or China.

 

[Aniah]

What's wrong is not reform and free market.

What's destroying the world is government spending too much and printing more money than the economy can handle.

Can't we just ditch the dollar if it gets bad? I mean yuan is right there and looks pretty great!

 

[Dolcevita]

Can't we just ditch the dollar if it gets bad? I mean yuan is right there and looks pretty great!

I would hedge if I can and if it makes sense to your individual situation. Unfortunately, it may not be practical for many living in USA.