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Crisis in the Ukraine
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No need to worry AFB the thread is doing just fine and nobody making any real contributions is getting hot under the collar
Thanks Sam, just hate to see the world coming apart, and these unthinkable tragedies, you know I have my own prejudices, but I am trying to see both sides, this is a very important thread, and for some posters, this may be one of the few venues where they might make their perspective and concern known to us all. respectfully brat
No worries.
I was wondering though if you had any perspective of why the poor old SU-25's seem to be taking such a hammering. If you believed everything that is published, you would think that the entire Ukrainian air force had been shot down at least three times. It is though clear that about a dozen have now been downed and many others hit and at the very least mission killed.
TerraN_EmpirE
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SU25 is not the only type to be getting hit. An26, Helicopters one Il76.
Yes, but transports are transports and easy if you get them in your sights, Helo's are low, slow and vulnerable,(plus seem to suffered a lot early on, but now pulled away from the front).
Ground Attack planes are supposed to be like Prize Fighters, able to take a heavy punch and keep going. Maybe I am wrong and only a few have come down and rest managed to get home or land after taking punishment.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Form what I can remember only 3 Ukrainian SU25 have been downed. They had 92 at the end of the USSR, 60 operational pre war some were in Suki, Crimea others Chortkiv ( deep western Ukraine) with the remaining units in reserve 3 were sold to Macedonia. so that means they had 81 total the Question is how many were in Chortkiv as those are the most likely the ones being used.
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I thought I wouldn't post in Ukraine thread(s) anymore (and don't worry, this is my last one, you may read on 
but today I participated in one of my few hobbies which is visiting 1936-8 Czechoslovak Fortifications; over the years I got to know personally some people who run Museums etc. and as you can imagine, they closely follow military issues; so today two of them discussed Ukraine and despite they're good friends and have similar background, their opinions strongly differed. Interestingly, the one who I thought would be anti-American, was strictly anti-Separatists, while the other, who I previously thought was cool, repeated weird stuff originating from Russian Internet They left the topic pretty quickly because they didn't want to get emotional, and I said just one sentence -- we stayed in front of bunker, with them wearing period uniforms over their trained bodies
So, the Ukrainian conflict can only be resolved on a battlefield, and I wonder what the outcome will be. The situation is really confusing -- yesterday I checked the map from http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members-club-room/crisis-ukraine-19-6939.html#post297784 and while some "anti-Fascist" areas had been lost to "Fascists" a couple of days ago (says who? LOL) but ... I also checked "main-stream media" "most recent" map on a major Polish server and some other (relatively large and important, I guess) area, which the "anti-Fascist" map didn't claim, was marked as still in their possession.
I'm over. Out.
but today I participated in one of my few hobbies which is visiting 1936-8 Czechoslovak Fortifications; over the years I got to know personally some people who run Museums etc. and as you can imagine, they closely follow military issues; so today two of them discussed Ukraine and despite they're good friends and have similar background, their opinions strongly differed. Interestingly, the one who I thought would be anti-American, was strictly anti-Separatists, while the other, who I previously thought was cool, repeated weird stuff originating from Russian Internet They left the topic pretty quickly because they didn't want to get emotional, and I said just one sentence -- we stayed in front of bunker, with them wearing period uniforms over their trained bodies So, the Ukrainian conflict can only be resolved on a battlefield, and I wonder what the outcome will be. The situation is really confusing -- yesterday I checked the map from http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members-club-room/crisis-ukraine-19-6939.html#post297784 and while some "anti-Fascist" areas had been lost to "Fascists" a couple of days ago (says who? LOL) but ... I also checked "main-stream media" "most recent" map on a major Polish server and some other (relatively large and important, I guess) area, which the "anti-Fascist" map didn't claim, was marked as still in their possession.
I'm over. Out.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Actually I hear Lebanon is nice this time of year. I bet Ukrainians on both sides of this wish they had it as sweet as the Lebanese...
A.Man its a dated reference, and you have beaten beyond the grave. There is no constructive purpose in it, and oh yeah it fails to consider something that Lebanon lacked major tensions from one super power and two potential super powers. With the majority of the worlds Nuclear arsenal on both sides. As well as insinuate something present in a major way in the Lebanese wars not really as present in Ukraine. Religious conflict. In Lebanon it was a three to four way holy war. In Ukraine its mostly a question of political leanings.
A.Man its a dated reference, and you have beaten beyond the grave. There is no constructive purpose in it, and oh yeah it fails to consider something that Lebanon lacked major tensions from one super power and two potential super powers. With the majority of the worlds Nuclear arsenal on both sides. As well as insinuate something present in a major way in the Lebanese wars not really as present in Ukraine. Religious conflict. In Lebanon it was a three to four way holy war. In Ukraine its mostly a question of political leanings.
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