Z-10 thread

[Lion]

not need to start trolling here, I have no access to any Chinese military base, and I doubt that you do, both of our sources are from internet.

There is simply no capacity to build 8 x 3 = 24 WZ-10s in 2 years time (WZ-10 finished evaluation flights on Nov 2010). And there are no proof of WZ-10s with that many serial numbers. Sure they can be used in different army brigade, but I think they are used for evaluation purposes, not full combat capacity.

Who is the one trolling? You can simply ignore the news of PLA daily as just some rumour??? PLA daily is the official sources of PLA news. If they are not official then you probably think US army website is the official news for PLA defense info?

I can see you are new here. Is it really hard to accept the reality of Chinese military advancement?

 

[Lion]

Well, no verdict on the engine can be made from video above, those are just some basic maneuvers for combat choppers, not to mention it's not carrying any loads.

You can check this videos of Apache, it shows some of the same manueuvers with better agility when carrying full load (8x Hellfire + 2x rocketpods), and some of the more difficult manueuvers

just search "AH-64 Apache - Agility Demo & Firing Rockets" on youtube

That video I posted is just trial run before the official opening of Zuhai 2012.. You are so quick to pick on it that you forget to search Youtube for more???

[video=youtube;RS4WZ_49eoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4WZ_49eoM[/video]

 

[Lion]

I thought I heard about using a modular gun turret meaning that they can mount any gun they fits the Cradle up too about 25mm? So it might be a 14.5mm or even a 20mm a lot of Antitank choppers use 20mm.

Actually, I will prefer the chopper used 14.5mm instead of heavy 30mm or 25mm.. If you want to take out an heavy armour, essentially, an anti-tank missile will be a better choice. Machine gun are more for light armour truck, cars and personnel attack.

With an 14.5mm, advantage will be a lighter recoil compare to bigger calibre, meaning more accuracy. Smaller calibre will also mean lighter guns carry,easier to handle and more rounds carry.

I can see the large calibre of 25mm and 30mm on attack helo being overkill.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

No proof on such claim. Judging by the capacity of Chinese Heli industry ( less than 18 Z-8s in the past 30 years, less than 15 Z-9 and it's variations each year), I highly doubt there are more than 6 production WZ-10s.

The Apache style nose-mounted sensor suite can only be seen on prototypes with Canadian engines and 1 prototypes with indigenous engine. It's likely been replaced with simpler / lighter system during the weight reduction process

Now tell me how you judge the capacity of Chinese heli industry by using your thumb?. You have no access whatsoever into the Chinese heli industry So you are trolling here with no proof whatsoever other than your BS. Many of us here has been following the WZ 10 program since its inception and you are just newbie here with scant knowledge about WZ 10

 

[gullible]

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[getready]

Now tell me how you judge the capacity of Chinese heli industry by using your thumb?. You have no access whatsoever into the Chinese heli industry So you are trolling here with no proof whatsoever other than your BS. Many of us here has been following the WZ 10 program since its inception and you are just newbie here with scant knowledge about WZ 10

You know there is positive developments in china when the trolls come a'knocking

 

[no_name]

Actually, I will prefer the chopper used 14.5mm instead of heavy 30mm or 25mm.. If you want to take out an heavy armour, essentially, an anti-tank missile will be a better choice. Machine gun are more for light armour truck, cars and personnel attack.

With an 14.5mm, advantage will be a lighter recoil compare to bigger calibre, meaning more accuracy. Smaller calibre will also mean lighter guns carry,easier to handle and more rounds carry.

I can see the large calibre of 25mm and 30mm on attack helo being overkill.

I think, that given the nature that helicopters sways even when being still, the guns do not have a lot of accuracy to start with comparing to say a ground/truck mounted MG. There are a few videos of the Apache engaging insurgents using cannon and the shots are spread quite a bit apart. With larger calibre like the 30mm gun the rounds can be explosive which means a short burst can take out a small group of people around a small area since each individual rounds detonates and affects a small area around them. (it is essentially similar to lobbing grenades into an area in rapid succession.)

 

[MwRYum]

With larger calibre like the 30mm gun the rounds can be explosive which means a short burst can take out a small group of people around a small area since each individual rounds detonates and affects a small area around them. (it is essentially similar to lobbing grenades into an area in rapid succession.)

The demise of a journalist in Iraq have proven that.

 

[Lion]

I think, that given the nature that helicopters sways even when being still, the guns do not have a lot of accuracy to start with comparing to say a ground/truck mounted MG. There are a few videos of the Apache engaging insurgents using cannon and the shots are spread quite a bit apart. With larger calibre like the 30mm gun the rounds can be explosive which means a short burst can take out a small group of people around a small area since each individual rounds detonates and affects a small area around them. (it is essentially similar to lobbing grenades into an area in rapid succession.)

14.5mm is by mean no small rounds. I believe it can be achieved with spray of small fragment too. Of cos, it may have less power and lesser fragment compare to 30mm rounds. But I believe it can be compensate with more rounds being fire, it can achieved the same effect of radius as compare to a 30mm rounds.

 

[plawolf]

Attack helos typically want higher cal cannons for range and punch. The bigger and heavier the round, the longer the effective range and harder it hits, which works equally well no matter if you are targeting heavy armor or light infantry, not that the cannon was ever designed to take out single infantrymen.

The cannon on an attack helo is really a surgical weapon and tend to be pretty accurate, which is also why they typically only carry hundreds of rounds, not thousands, and why attack helo pilots always fire the cannon in short, controlled bursts instead of just hosing all over the place. If an attack helo wants to do area suppression to deal with a large number of scattered light targets, it won't waste time and rounds plinking away with it's cannon, it will let rip with a salvo of rockets, which can easily cover an area the size of several football pitches, that's why they carry those.

Another reason you would not really want to go below 20mm is because it's better to overkill than be caught short. If you only equip your attack helo with 14.5mm, and it runs into a situation where 14.5mm just doesn't cut it, its screwed. Whereas 20mm would work just as well against targets that only need 14.5mm.