Z-10 thread

[Deino]

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Saw this on CCTV ,notice how young is the chief designer of WZ 10 Wu Ximing. Harbinger of good thing to come in the future. Like their colleague in space and fighter jet design office they have more mileage to go. Seem like he is confidence of the engine. All talk about under power is just talk

[video=youtube;vgyEL12821A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgyEL12821A&feature=watch_response[/video]

 

[Lion]

Does anybody know the gun calibre of WZ-10? It looks very small, I seriuously think its not 23mm as what many talk about.

I have a feeling, its more like 14.5mm similar to ZPU series.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

I thought I heard about using a modular gun turret meaning that they can mount any gun they fits the Cradle up too about 25mm? So it might be a 14.5mm or even a 20mm a lot of Antitank choppers use 20mm.

 

[no_name]

Does anybody know the gun calibre of WZ-10? It looks very small, I seriuously think its not 23mm as what many talk about.

I have a feeling, its more like 14.5mm similar to ZPU series.

I think it should be similar to what eurocopter tiger uses, which is actually 30mm.

Btw the eurocopter gun don't seem to look that big either.

 

[lvyelion]

Answering my own enquiries...

Does it looks like underpowered??? I will say if they dare to put it in airshow for the public to see. I will say its no problem with the chopper. This also demonstrated their confidence of the product.

Well, no verdict on the engine can be made from video above, those are just some basic maneuvers for combat choppers, not to mention it's not carrying any loads.

You can check this videos of Apache, it shows some of the same manueuvers with better agility when carrying full load (8x Hellfire + 2x rocketpods), and some of the more difficult manueuvers

just search "AH-64 Apache - Agility Demo & Firing Rockets" on youtube

 

[lvyelion]

Just one question ... I think it's now safe to say the Z-10 is operational with three PLA Army Aviation Brigades ... but is it correct that only the ones from the 8. Brigade (with red numbers) are equipped with the latest Apache-style optics/targeting systems ?

Deino

No proof on such claim. Judging by the capacity of Chinese Heli industry ( less than 18 Z-8s in the past 30 years, less than 15 Z-9 and it's variations each year), I highly doubt there are more than 6 production WZ-10s.

The Apache style nose-mounted sensor suite can only be seen on prototypes with Canadian engines and 1 prototypes with indigenous engine. It's likely been replaced with simpler / lighter system during the weight reduction process

 

[Hendrik_2000]

No proof on such claim. Judging by the capacity of Chinese Heli industry ( less than 18 Z-8s in the past 30 years, less than 15 Z-9 and it's variations each year), I hightly doubt there are more than 4 production WZ-10s.

The Apache style nose-mounted sensor suite can only be seen on prototypes with Canadian engines and 1 prototypes with indigenous engine. It's likely been replaced with simpler / lighter system during the weight reduction process

And you have proof to say that it is not operational other than your bias and prejudice?. Let's hear from the horses mouth themselves. We have photos to prove that at least 3 regiments of WZ 10 are in services now

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Two Z-10s have just arrived at the 2012 Zhuhui airshow representing the PLA Army Aviation and they are from the 6th LH Brigade (LH96101 and LH96102) of the 42nd Group Army near by. This revelation marks the 6th LH as the third Z-10 equipped LH units in service.


2nd Z-10 equipped Army Aviation Unit.
Judging from the recent PLA Daily articles and internet photo "releases", the 8th LH brigade of the 38th Group Army, Beijing MR has become the 2nd LH unit armed with the latest Z-10 attach choppers (6th squadron). It is interesting to note that the 8th is also home to the Z-19 light attack helicopter (5th squadron).

After two years of service with the 5th LH brigade, it is clear that the CMC is now ready to expand its Z-10 footprint

Sunday, December 12, 2010

WZ-10 of the PLA 5th LH Regiment
It seems there are at least 8 of them already in service.
Chinese Army Aviation Force organizes training of WZ-10 and WZ-19 armed helicopters



Z-10 in BJ MR as reported by the PLA Daily

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8月下旬，塞北某综合训练基地，北京军区某装甲团与航空兵、防空兵开展协同作战演练。图为装甲兵召唤航空兵提供火力支援
李东现摄　
(Source: China Military Online) 2012-11-13


The picture shows the WZ-10 and WZ-19 armed helicopters in training. (chinamil.com.cn/ Huang Wei)

　　Several China's independently-developed WZ-10 and WZ-19 armed helicopters of an army aviation regiment under the Shenyang Military Area Command (MAC) of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) carried out air-to-ground missile firing tests in an airspace of south Liaoning province on November 12, 2012. Despite the extreme climate conditions, the helicopters achieved a hundred percent hit rate.

　　The primary task of the WZ-10 and WZ-19 armed helicopters is to provide fire support on battlefields. Characterized by excellent flight performances and extreme low-altitude maneuverability, the helicopters can be equipped with multiple air-to-air and air-to-ground precision-guided weapons, and possess the daytime and nighttime combat capabilities. All the troop units equipped with these armed helicopters have successively established flight tackling teams in order to tackle highly-difficult problems in flight of these armed helicopters, explored new training methods and tactics by focusing on the characteristics of future wars, and established a complete training system for these new-type armed helicopters.

　　The reporters saw at the front line of the training of an army aviation regiment under the General Staff Headquarters (GSH) of the PLA that the regiment set up realistic environment to simulate actual combat, incorporated such highly-difficult subjects as hedgehopping flight and valley counter-attack into the tactic drill of air assault and special operation, and effectively elevated the operational capabilities of the helicopters as well as the overall quality of the pilots.

　　The recent assessment made by the Army Aviation Department of the GSH has showed that those new-type helicopters that troop units had equipped with have already formed the capability to carry out operations under various weather conditions and in complex environments as well as to perform diversified tasks.

　　By Shi Shaohua and Zhou Jingbo

Editor:Zhang Tao

 

[lvyelion]

not need to start trolling here, I have no access to any Chinese military base, and I doubt that you do, both of our sources are from internet.

There is simply no capacity to build 8 x 3 = 24 WZ-10s in 2 years time (WZ-10 finished evaluation flights on Nov 2010). And there are no proof of WZ-10s with that many serial numbers. Sure they can be used in different army brigade, but I think they are used for evaluation purposes, not full combat capacity.

 

[tphuang]

not need to start trolling here, I have no access to any Chinese military base, and I doubt that you do, both of our sources are from internet.

There is simply no capacity to build 8 x 3 = 24 WZ-10s in 2 years time (WZ-10 finished evaluation flights on Nov 2010). And there are no proof of WZ-10s with that many serial numbers. Sure they can be used in different army brigade, but I think they are used for evaluation purposes, not full combat capacity.

what are you doing? We have pictures with serial numbers of 12 Z-10 from the first regiment and there are 3 now.

I mean unless you actually have something you know that we don't know, please respect the knowledge of members on this forum. Especially Deino, who has followed this project for a long time.