Both sides are doing this. Replacing last-mile logistics with drones is the logical conclusion to this war, to be fair, it's not just a manpower fix, it's just the natural next step. It'll be interesting to see how this affects armies going forward. There's a ton of potential in this area.
The War in the Ukraine
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manqiangrexue
Brigadier
LMFAO OK cool. Losing the war by the most common and significant metric that measures success? Pretend it's not about territory.
I think the last time I heard a body count, Russia returned 530 bodies to Ukraine and Ukraine had like 30 to give back.
The West as unlimited material? That's really scary, cus China is the largest producer in the world and our materials are finite. That means we should just give up cus you can't beat unlimited. Question: Who told you the West has unlimited material? Their economies sure don't look like it so they must be hiding it, eh?
LOLOL OK, let's see it. I can tell you China and Russia have and are still increasing production; let's see your dream come true too.
Russia made all its gains without going into a war economy so why would it need to do that to maintain those gains? And even so, all you're saying is that Russia hasn't even gone into beast mode yet; it still has much reserved for escalation.
Wait, Russia did all this with less than 1,000 people??!! Damn, no wonder they're call the Combat Race in China.
It shows you that Russia hasn't even exerted itself while Ukraine is basically barely still a country and the entire West is exhausted and sick of Zelensky's global panhandling. I previously said that China hasn't even started yet and now you're saying Russia hasn't even really started yet.
Russians don't use as much foreign mercenaries, not to the degree that the Ukrainians use. The Pyatnishki tend to operate more as a second line back up force. It can be the language barrier makes foreign volunteers more difficult for critical missions as the lack of language can hamper coordination, not for the lack of skill or courage.
Russian use of ground robots are namely logistics and sapping. The use for logistics don't seem to stand up past the initial hype, as heavy drones seems to get the job done faster and less likely for interception. While the use of robots for mine clearance is obvious, the bulk of the boots is used for assaulting positions and mopping operations, the bulk of footage of Russians taking prisoners or throwing TM-62s into fortifications remain that of human by far.
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Russian hackers hack Ukrainian databases. According to the hacked data, 2.4 million dead in 4 years or 42 months. Feel free to take it with a bit of salt but assuming if it's true, that's close to 60,000 a month, or 2000 per day. I would assume figures are lower in the earlier phase of the war, then rising in a curve. Russian own figures according to the MoD varies between 1100 to 1200 a day but has risen to 1300-1400 as of late. However I do not know how they could account for those whose bodies were obliterated by FABs, Tornado-S, LMUR, Iskander, and TOS inside buildings and buried under rubble, or those who are buried underneath the bunkers when FABs, artillery, and Krasnopols hit the bunkers. So if anything the MoD figures might be low balling.
As usual all claims or numbers cannot be independently or objectively verified.
'Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Central Control Commission, Ukrainian medical organizations and morgues were hacked.
↓By August 2025, the number of eliminated militants reached 1.7 million people — by December the figure exceeded 2 million. In the six months of 2026, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost the same amount as in the entire 2023 — about 400 thousand people.
↓The largest losses are in the Pokrovsky, Konstantinovsky, Limansky, Zaporozhye and Kupyansky directions.
↓Most deaths were in the 72nd and 110th ombres, air assault brigades and territorial defense forces.
↓It is noteworthy that killed foreign mercenaries are no longer included in the lists of the dead: they are written off as accidents.'
Ukrainian troops retreating from Lyman, sought refuge in a building at an embankment crossing the Seversky Donetsk river near Mayak. The building gets hit by a FAB-1500.
As usual all claims or numbers cannot be independently or objectively verified.
'Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Central Control Commission, Ukrainian medical organizations and morgues were hacked.
↓By August 2025, the number of eliminated militants reached 1.7 million people — by December the figure exceeded 2 million. In the six months of 2026, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost the same amount as in the entire 2023 — about 400 thousand people.
↓The largest losses are in the Pokrovsky, Konstantinovsky, Limansky, Zaporozhye and Kupyansky directions.
↓Most deaths were in the 72nd and 110th ombres, air assault brigades and territorial defense forces.
↓It is noteworthy that killed foreign mercenaries are no longer included in the lists of the dead: they are written off as accidents.'
Ukrainian troops retreating from Lyman, sought refuge in a building at an embankment crossing the Seversky Donetsk river near Mayak. The building gets hit by a FAB-1500.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
You also need to consider all the strategic deep strike the Russians have been doing almost daily. Russian MoD is going to only be able to roughly estimate Ukrainian personnel losses from such strikes, but hits against C&C bunkers, barracks, training facilities, staging areas and the like can produce massive casualties that the Russian MoD would almost certainly massively underestimate.
It would be interesting to see if the Ukrainians lump MIA together with KIA, I doubt it, and if not, true Ukrainian combat losses will be considerably higher going by every previous comparable conflict.
Either way, millions of dead reconciles with the reality on the ground where the Ukrainians are fighting superior Russia firepower with numbers and a greater willingness to take heavy losses. As well with the reality behind the front lines where whole generations of Ukrainian women are basically accepting and getting used to the cold harsh reality that traditional marriages are no longer on the cards for them.
Things happening in a most unpleasant way.
5 Iskanders with cluster munitions dumping on the Krememchug oil refinery and power stations. Black puts reported.
Geran struck a Ukrainian locomotive in Zaporyzhia.
Iskander and Zircon arrival in Kyiv. Large warehouse burning.
Geran struck a gas station in Zaporyzhia. Plus another big hit.
Another burning gas station along the Zaporyzhia to Dnepropetrovsk highway. Over 150 gas stations in Ukraine has been destroyed.
5 Iskanders with cluster munitions dumping on the Krememchug oil refinery and power stations. Black puts reported.
Geran struck a Ukrainian locomotive in Zaporyzhia.
Iskander and Zircon arrival in Kyiv. Large warehouse burning.
Geran struck a gas station in Zaporyzhia. Plus another big hit.
Another burning gas station along the Zaporyzhia to Dnepropetrovsk highway. Over 150 gas stations in Ukraine has been destroyed.
Since when mobilisation to defend it's own country is "kidnapping"?
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Since when you nab people off the streets against their will. Mobilization is a mass call to arms. If you're in great shape, it is a call to the willing with enticing benefits afterwards. If you're in worse shape than that, there is mandatory draft with letters sent to homes with combat-aged men detailing legal penalties for refusal. If you're more desperate than that, you just grab people off the streets against their will and wrestle them onto the front lines, hand them a gun and hope they don't throw it away and surrender the first chance they get. Ukraine is here and I don't know if there's anywhere to go further.
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Rare close-up footage of Russian Uragan MLRS strikes captured by an FPV drone in Ukraine. The strike targeted Ukrainian army positions near the village of Orekhov in the Zaporizhzhia region. Technical information about the new version of the Uragan-1 MLRS is available in the link to the video in the comments.