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[sndef888]

Well its certainly not like the Suze Crisis: Egypt didn't destroy all British bases or hit British ships in the region, Britain/France was forced out by US/USSR, not by Egypt, and Egypt only ended with control of Suez, Britain didn't have to pay them massive reparations.

This is FAR worse than Suez, Suez established US/USSR as the new superpowers and eclipsing Britain/Europe, but the power was still in western hands, whereas this war established the end of the entire western world and it's age of relevancy in human history.

In a sense I feel like China should've done more, like a high level statement publicly pressuring America to end the war would have helped a lot with the Suez moment optics

Feels like China is not fully taking advantage of the situation to enhance the perception of power flowing from America to China

Now I'm worried American propaganda is going to be strong enough to make people just forget about this whole misadventure

 

[Gloire_bb]

Well its certainly not like the Suze Crisis: Egypt didn't destroy all British bases or hit British ships in the region, Britain/France was forced out by US/USSR, not by Egypt, and Egypt only ended with control of Suez, Britain didn't have to pay them massive reparations.

This is FAR worse than Suez, Suez established US/USSR as the new superpowers and eclipsing Britain/Europe, but the power was still in western hands, whereas this war established the end of the entire western world and it's age of relevancy in human history.

The problem was more global though. Without Suez, UK couldn't maintain commitments east of Suez, plain and simple.

It's more nuanced with the US, and especially US+allies. US hit limits of its own power when it comes to the gulf, and since now US+Israel most certainly can't be the single security guarantor for Arab states, but.

Unlike the UK (base and the most threatened point - England itself), the US have a different geographical position. Iranian war doesn't physically limit its ability to provide security guarantees to the east or to the west, in fact, it doesn't matter at all.

Furthermore, US isn't in cycles of collapsing power decline.

 

[iewgnem]

Unlike the UK (base and the most threatened point - England itself), the US have a different geographical position. Iranian war doesn't physically limit its ability to provide security guarantees to the east or to the west, in fact, it doesn't matter at all.

Oh I think depleting your missiles very much physically limits its ability to defend anything to the east or to the west, not to mention the war also demonstrated its weapons are physically unable to intercept even Iranian missile tech.

Are you really going to pretend US has a single iota of ability to provide "security guarantees" to anyone on China's s* list? lol

At least the British can sail around South Africa if they lost access to Suez, is there a work around to America and the entire west's fundamental inability to even match Iranian industrial output?

 

[iewgnem]

In a sense I feel like China should've done more, like a high level statement publicly pressuring America to end the war would have helped a lot with the Suez moment optics

Feels like China is not fully taking advantage of the situation to enhance the perception of power flowing from America to China

Now I'm worried American propaganda is going to be strong enough to make people just forget about this whole misadventure

Does it look like American propaganda is working? lol. If anything you can made a strong case for America lost the propaganda war far worse than the physical one, when was the last time US went into a war with the vast majority of its own people mocking it and calling it "Epstein fury" on day 1?

Suez crisis wasn't considered a turning point in history at the time either, history loves hindsight, but history also moves on regardless if you want it to be true or not.

China doesn't need to say anything about the power balance, the reality of power is that those who has it doesn't need to say anything, and those without it can't speak it into existence.

 

[sndef888]

Does it look like American propaganda is working? lol. If anything you can made a strong case for America lost the propaganda war far worse than the physical one, when was the last time US went into a war with the vast majority of its own people mocking it and calling it "Epstein fury" on day 1?

Suez crisis wasn't considered a turning point in history at the time either, history loves hindsight, but history also moves on regardless if you want it to be true or not.

China doesn't need to say anything about the power balance, the reality of power is that those who has it doesn't need to say anything, and those without it can't speak it into existence.

Yes it looks bad for America at the moment, but don't underestimate the power of American propaganda to make people forget things or "turn over a new page"

Remember Afghanistan? It was also incredibly bad looking for America, with insane footage to boot of locals falling off planes crying at America abandoning them. But wait a couple years and barely anyone remembers it or talks about it

And don't forget, most of the negativity nowadays is still directed toward Trump/Israel and not toward the American state

 

[Gloire_bb]

Oh I think depleting your missiles very much physically limits its ability to defend anything to the east or to the west, not to mention the war also demonstrated its weapons are physically unable to intercept even Iranian missile tech.

Are you really going to pretend US has a single iota of ability to provide "security guarantees" to anyone on China's s* list? lol

At least the British can sail around South Africa if they lost access to Suez, is there a work around to America and the entire west's fundamental inability to even match Iranian industrial output?

Oh, it wasn't a big surprise even before. The problem is that it doesn't make it better - the US themselves are as protected as ever.
Spammy era, when interceptors almost by default lose the numbers game, makes it difficult for nations that can be reached.

Even Russia starts to fold under spam, in a way that even Europe does not (as it's invulnerable).

 

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These things will happen over time since this natural state of affairs. Long term gravitational pull of Royal Kingdoms and to be associated with them.

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[pmc]

Oh, it wasn't a big surprise even before. The problem is that it doesn't make it better - the US themselves are as protected as ever.
Spammy era, when interceptors almost by default lose the numbers game, makes it difficult for nations that can be reached.

Even Russia starts to fold under spam, in a way that even Europe does not (as it's invulnerable).

where you get this info?. Putin still calling it special military operation and he want to respond appropriately. meaning in a measured way.
regarding Civilians. I wont write what Putin really think about his own. Just study this Arabic Soft Power. His primary concern is how to integrate this green patch in such way that this culture is adopted. Its all about Royals and there birds.

Putin's remarks came during a meeting with military personnel involved in the special military operation at the Kremlin on the occasion of "Russia Day," where he said: "In light of the actions of the Ukrainian forces, we must respond appropriately. We are doing so. We will intensify our strikes on the enemy's infrastructure so that we kill their desire to attack our civilian facilities.

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[plawolf]

In a sense I feel like China should've done more, like a high level statement publicly pressuring America to end the war would have helped a lot with the Suez moment optics

Feels like China is not fully taking advantage of the situation to enhance the perception of power flowing from America to China

Now I'm worried American propaganda is going to be strong enough to make people just forget about this whole misadventure

China’s strategy is far more nuanced and expansive than the American-level simpleton play of trying to fuck with opfor at every possible opportunity irrespective of the costs and consequences.

China’s priority isn’t even to defeat and damage America, rather it’s to manage America’s decline.

China actually did plenty during the Iran War, but that was to try to create ladders and outs for Trump to climb down and avoid feeling like he was cornered and had nothing left to loose.

Contrary to popular belief, China doesn’t mind the current world order and rules and is in no massive rush to change it because it’s dominating the great game. America is literally loosing the shirt off its back to China, so is it any wonder China is happy to keep playing?

It’s the equivalent of someone who is dominating on the poker table and the spoilt rich frat boy who is rapidly loosing his entire inheritance is openly threatening to flip the table and shank everyone else. The smart play isn’t to help him flip the table so you can get into a knife fight with him, it’s to keep him just calm enough he doesn’t flip out while you continue taking him for all he is worth while also discreetly getting your own gun ready.

But alas a world war between China and America (make no mistake, any direct significant military clash between the two superpowers will mean a new world war) will be profoundly costly and damaging to all and sundry. I dare say every person on earth will be directly affected, the overwhelmingly of which will be negatively, and probably devastatingly so for many if not most of us. So I’m glad China is being the responsible adult here and not rushing headlong into that war for the sake of pride or anger. China is gearing up for the fight, and in a more massive and comprehensive way than most would imagine or even believe, but it’s very much as a contingency measure instead of a primary plan, and we should all be eternally grateful for that restraint.

 

[iewgnem]

Yes it looks bad for America at the moment, but don't underestimate the power of American propaganda to make people forget things or "turn over a new page"

Remember Afghanistan? It was also incredibly bad looking for America, with insane footage to boot of locals falling off planes crying at America abandoning them. But wait a couple years and barely anyone remembers it or talks about it

And don't forget, most of the negativity nowadays is still directed toward Trump/Israel and not toward the American state

I wouldn't say barely anyone remembers Afghanistan, Trump is in power partly because of it.
But Afghanistan was also completely different, US didn't get directly defeated by the Taliban, their puppets folded after US withdrew, but there was room for interpretation of American power reality.

Iran is completely different, Iran directly bombed the US to a humiliating military defeat with reparations, that's a fundamental reality that enters every country's calculus regardless of how America frames it. Just look at the Gulf countries collectively paying Iran bribes after getting bombed.

Remember, America doesn't care about negativity, they love being the bad guy and they love it when someone complain about another atrocity they committed, what they fear is looking weak and they hate losing face above all else. Iran didn't outlast America, Iran completely and irreversiblyy physically dismantled the idea of American strength, the impact of this on American psyche is far bigger than failing to win, and the effect on global strategic planning is an objective fact.