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Lethe

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I don't see the problem with seeking source code access. The point is to be able to integrate domestic and other foreign munitions of choice, to add and substitute components, perhaps decades hence, without going through the vendor who will at least extract a healthy profit for the privilege and may even slow, obstruct or deny those integrations as suits their interests. It may be that those objectives can be met in other ways, but the objective itself is reasonable enough. Witness how long the UK as a "Tier 1 development partner" has been forced to wait for Meteor and SPEAR 3 integration on F-35. Meanwhile Israel get special access...

It's also understandable that vendors would be protective of sensitive items such as the source code for various subsystems, or at least would place a high premium on such access. It's a tactical problem. The time to negotiate for source code access is when you have multiple vendors fiercely competing for a tender that is so large and valuable that it may tempt them to exhibit an unusual degree of flexibility. The time to negotiate is not after you have already bought 36 Rafales and then another 26 and have all but committed yourself to buying more anyway. Same thing with General Electric. The time to negotiate on F414 technology transfer is when you can credibly hold the threat of going elsewhere over GE's head, not after you have already boxed yourself in to buying their engines for decades to come.

The Indian procurement process is so sclerotic and difficult to turn around that any vendor that has managed to get one foot in the door is going to be very confident that inertia will eventually carry them through without requiring further sacrifices such as acceding to new ToT or source code demands. A further problem is that India has rarely been willing to commit funds on the scale required to generate sufficient leverage.
 
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Lethe

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India today commissioned it's 3rd SSBN.

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The timelines for future developments should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, in spite of all caveats about the capabilities and indigeneity of these boats, they represent a significant achievement that should be acknowledged as such. That India has pursued both nuclear submarine and sea-launched ballistic missile technologies over the course of decades and brought them to some credible fruition speaks to India's national conception of itself and reflects an unusual constancy of purpose and incremental progress that appears to rise above the fray of day-to-day politics. In part this may be because, unlike the endless controversies over LCA/AMCA/etc. there is indeed no alternative to the long, hard road of developing an independent sea-based nuclear deterrent, undoubted Russian technology assistance notwithstanding. In that respect it is more akin to ISRO than other military development and acquisition programs.

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With the fourth SSBN appearing to be well in hand, the focus for observers over the next decade shifts to signs of increasing effective utilisation of those Arihant-class boats and of progress on the successor S5 SSBN and probably closely related P77 SSN, the CLWR-B2 reactor shared between the two, and of the improved K5 SLBM.
 
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GulfLander

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seems indian positioning sat network has been experiencing alleged atomic clock failures on the satllites.. NavIC sat network has satellites not working. ISRO trying to launch another one, NVS, but seems alleged imported atomic clock is again their issue.

ISRO encouraged to use indigenous atomic clocks for navigation satellites​

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_killuminati_

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TL; DR - There is no shortcut. While every country and people have their own circumstances, the fundamental laws of nature remain the same. Nobody can escape this natural progression.
Well, there is one shortcut of getting help from an established source such as how the Americans got from Nazi scientists after WWII. India had this shortcut as well in the form of Kurt Tank but somehow botched it. I don't want to be rude but the problem appears to be in the culture.
 

siegecrossbow

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The timelines for future developments should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, in spite of all caveats about the capabilities and indigeneity of these boats, they represent a significant achievement that should be acknowledged as such. That India has pursued both nuclear submarine and sea-launched ballistic missile technologies over the course of decades and brought them to some credible fruition speaks to India's national conception of itself and reflects an unusual constancy of purpose and incremental progress that appears to rise above the fray of day-to-day politics. In part this may be because, unlike the endless controversies over LCA/AMCA/etc. there is indeed no alternative to the long, hard road of developing an independent sea-based nuclear deterrent, undoubted Russian technology assistance notwithstanding. In that respect it is more akin to ISRO than other military development and acquisition programs.

giphy.gif


With the fourth SSBN appearing to be well in hand, the focus for observers over the next decade shifts to signs of increasing effective utilisation of those Arihant-class boats and of progress on the successor S5 SSBN and probably closely related P77 SSN, the CLWR-B2 reactor shared between the two, and of the improved K5 SLBM.

India's ability to produce and operate SSBNs is a real achievement. It's the only country outside of the UN Security Council P5 to do so. Plus, India's SSBNs carry indigenous missiles, which is more than the UK can say (Tridents).
 
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