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Clango

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(1)it's lower level tech, even if both belong to 4th. Ultimately their flanker is 1970s tech with 1990s facelift.
(2)India since 2000s really needs to diversify their aircraft fleet, as dependence on Soviet/Russian equipment was effectively complete.
(3)Make in India doesn't work that well. Take into account that future indian radars for both Tejas and mki are ambitious (gan) and first of their general kind for India.
Things can go wrong, and tbh it's unlikely they'll just go right.
(4) While Russia proposes an upgrade path for Su-30sm family, in Russia it's a stepdaughter platform, and one out of many at that. Su-30mki already was born by Indian financing; it'll effectively have to be repeated to make Ru financing viable.
Yes, but at the same time it's also the only 4th gen platform that they more or less have full understanding and control of, so when it comes to upgrading and shit like that there's no real other option aside from the MKI.
 

sheogorath

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Is not all that shocking when you realize one of the reasons the Rafale lost in Brazil was because of the French refusal to provide enough tech transfer and the Brazilian MIC seems more capable than the Indian one, and that was at a time when Rafale was only operated by the French and Dassault was more "desperate" to get deals to keep the line open.

India should have seen that coming.
 

mossen

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The source code drama is a harbringer of future conflicts over the joint Indo-French engine project.

As I said many times: if France cannot keep their ego in check with a close ally like Germany, then what hope does India have? The inability to create your own MIC from the ground up will inevitably leave you at the mercy of other powers.

India will import foreign jets for many years to come.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Frankly speaking, this is beyond parody at this point and has pretty much degraded to the level of pathetic.

Imagine wagging that "100% Access to Source Code + 100% ToT or No Deal" stick around in the air and still believe that this is actually showcasing the prowess of Akhand Bharat.

Of course, the blind chase after 100% perfection in everything they wanted to procure (while shouting the Amrithabaar Bharat slogan) without the necessary capabilities to make them a reality (more so domestically, since this is what they are most often after) is a major factor (the Tejas' development hell is one such prime example). But more often than not, this is just an epitome of much larger problems at play throughout their comprehensive national industrial capabilities.

I'd say that this cesspool perfectly mirrors how India chases after development and progress in general - Namely, heavily in favor of skipping the necessary building blocks, i.e. the primary sector (raw material extraction) and secondary sector (manufacturing) industries, and just jumping straight into the third sector (services) industry, chasing after shortcuts and hoping that they could eventually become as powerful, wealthy and prosperous as all other major global powers of the past and today.

Without good R&D capabilities, how would you develop good materials for the engine fan blades? Without good production capabilities, how would you use those materials to make the engine fan blades? Without good engine fan blades, how would you build a good aircraft engine? And without a good engine, how would you build a capable fighter jet? All of these haven't touched upon everything else (education, utility and infrastructure, investment and incentives, government policies and oversight, etc) that would enable every single one of the aforementioned stages to be realized.

TL; DR - There is no shortcut. While every country and people have their own circumstances, the fundamental laws of nature remain the same. Nobody can escape this natural progression.
 

lantis

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Picture of the Ghatak RPSA. This picture is old. Back from 2022. Ghatak project is one of India's "Black" Projects. So-called classified projects that it takes very seriously. These include Nuclear Submarines (Arihant Project and allegedly Project 76 SSN Project), Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme and probably Agni 6


Recently Defence Acquisition Council approved multiple proposals. One of them includes determination to have 4 squadrons of RPSA in the future. DPB to DAC approval has been fast. But in Indian procurement system, CCS is the main body of procurement. Proposals for procurements have been known to lapse


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lantis

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India today commissioned it's 3rd SSBN.

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For the first time, India possesses the requisite numbers to ensure that at any given moment, at least one nuclear armed boat is on a deep-sea deterrent patrol. With a three-boat rotation, one submarine can remain on active patrol, a second can be in a state of high readiness or transit, and a third can undergo necessary maintenance or refit.

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The fourth is in trials.

The larger S-5 class should be under construction in SBC. Following that work on 2 ssns will take priority.

Will also mean, must have made some progress on the reactors to think this far.

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Forecast says. India will have them by 2036.
 
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