09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[BoraTas]

These people think China's going to launch a maximum of two submarines a year from now until 2040 (that's not including the 09IIIBs already launched, which can certainly be considered new)? Why, do they think China is America?

If by "regional" you mean everywhere on the planet, sure. I can't wait to see the shock on their faces when they finally understand that 09Vs are lurking off the coast of New York.

China acquiring a submarine with a similar capability to the Virginia Block V and making just 2 of it per annum is a hilarious proposition indeed. They didn't build Huludao as a decorative ornament. These people learnt nothing from their past wrong estimates about the J-20 and 052D.

 

[bsdnf]

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China is far beyond the era iteratively improving Cold War Soviet designs. Yet they likely remain behind in some nuances of nuclear submarine construction. So there may still be elements of Russian technology transfer for the Type 095, but exactly what, and how consequential it is to China’s ambitions, remains elusive.

This is why I have no respect for "veteran" military observers like Sutton. Their copium mindset is hopeless.

They don't know where it fall short, but "it must not as good as US/Russian's", PLA will always be Zeno's Achilles. Even if the PLA acquires technologies that no one else has, it's still "more harmful than beneficial," "lowering requirements and forcing implementation," "there's a reason why others don't use them," and "but at what cost."

 

[mack8]

Anyone writing for these western publications, think tanks or whatever are probably vetted and required to engage in this kind of pathetic copium for propaganda reasons, no wonder any half competent military enthusiast just laughs at them (and in my case, despise).

 

[Totoro]

Not to mention that Chinese submarine design, right from the start, also incorporated some western sub design philosophies, as much as they've perhaps embraced Soviet ones such as double hulls. But even that's debatable. Even US subs, at least up to Thresher class, used partial double hulls. USS Albacore demo sub in the 1950s was almost completely double hulled, but I guess USN decided double hulls aren't for them, as later sub classes got progressively fewer and fewer double hulled sections.

 

[Blitzo]

It's HI Sutton, writing in a domain and navy that he doesn't have that much first hand expertise in, with an established historical frame of mind that's hard to shake.

In any case it's not like that article actually adds anything which we didn't already know, so there isn't much reason to actively care about it.

Anyone writing for these western publications, think tanks or whatever are probably vetted and required to engage in this kind of pathetic copium for propaganda reasons, no wonder any half competent military enthusiast just laughs at them (and in my case, despise).

You give far too much credence to the intent and role of defense outlets.
Most authors do it for the love of the game, and their own biases (or lack thereof, in certain cases), backgrounds, and knowledge bases (and those of the editors) is what ultimately determines the outcome of the work.

There's no particular conspiracy at work.

 

[Maikeru]

There must be some unclassified/civilian relatively hi-res images of 09V fitting out by now. Where are they?!

 

[subotai1]

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They don't know where it fall short, but "it must not as good as US/Russian's", PLA will always be Zeno's Achilles. Even if the PLA acquires technologies that no one else has, it's still "more harmful than beneficial," "lowering requirements and forcing implementation," "there's a reason why others don't use them," and "but at what cost."

This is the classic "Innovator's Dilemma" and not an attack on China. Anytime a new technology or approach shows up and few understand, its considered unproven and risky and looked down upon or positioned as something not to be embraced. Even if that new technology has the chance to disrupt everything.

 

[Aspide]

Looks like Sutton has been inspired by this Rolls-Royce model of future AUKUS.

 

[Blitzo]

Looks like Sutton has been inspired by this Rolls-Royce model of future AUKUS.View attachment 172356

It's more like 09V has similar proportions and features to Seawolf but with X tails and pumpjet, which by extension means it looks similar to some of the models for SSN-AUKUS and SSN(X), because they have similar proportions and X tails and pumpjets too.

The drawing made is a fair take on what it probably resembles based on the satellite pictures thus far, though I think the CGIs made by @Nx4eu remain the best depictions of what it probably looks like so

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There must be some unclassified/civilian relatively hi-res images of 09V fitting out by now. Where are they?!

Behind paywalls (i.e.: businesses) that one needs money to buy, and which after purchase cannot be shared beyond personal use/company use.

 

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Does anyone knows if 095 uses a full electric drive like new Columbo class?