Pakistan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Some great images from that person @alpha_limaa (Awais Lali),
This might be the same J-10 posted above. Very large HD image on airlines.net (too big to post here).
From an @ajlalkhalid on TikTok,
AWACS absolutely does make it basically irrelevant against a smaller and relatively low RCS fighter like J-10 that's flying low if the AWACS is flying high. Radar is not magic. Provided the beams even have the angle to pick up on J-10 hugging the terrain, from the available aspect, those J-10s may as well be 5th gen fighter level stealthy. There are ways to interrogate returns to determine whether it's a viable moving ground target for example when striking a vehicle formation but it isn't an easy task gaining the level of granularity to detect J-10 at those ranges and that's even if they had line of sight.
Mountain geometries provide lots of areas where there isn't clear line of sight for radar emissions to even pick up on fighters. Pakistan had their Erieye flying high to pick up all Indian assets flying towards them. India made the mistake of loudly announcing their positions and intentions from literally hundreds of kilometers away. That's if Chinese space based ISR didn't already give Pakistan hours to days of warning since it takes time to prep and organise your assets in such a way days prior that it becomes obvious you're intending to strike.
There is no doubt the level of disparity here indicate at least some level of ambush.
PL-15s do not need to be fired high and fast! There is absolutely no logical flow to your claims here. Take the win as it actually is, don't make fantasy up like Jai Hind crowd.
We do not really know the exact launch ranges of the PL-15s that hit their targets right? You would admit this at least right? They could have been fired from 300km away or 20km away. You heard some numbers like 200km and you assume that is gospel. How about we admit we do not know? We only know it's most likely that all the downed fighters were hit on the Indian side of the border and the longest ranged hit was around 200km within Indian side. But we do not know where that Pakistani fighter which launched the kill shot was when it fired that kill shot. We assume it is within Pakistani side but even if so, how far in? Again reminder that this is a big if. Both sides have gone over the border in the past. They don't necessarily announce or admit to such.
Yes firing from low altitude reduces the AAM range. By how much? Do you know? I'll admit I dont but I doubt it reduces so much as to render that missile unable to hit a fast fighter. Particularly when you note the previous point re launch position.
J-10CE is no stealth fighter. Rafale has a decent enough AESA. Rafales were armed with Meteor missiles. Do you really think if both sides met face to face from hundreds of km away, you'd get at least 2 Rafales clapped like that not to mention a Su-30MKI, Mig-29 and a Mirage 2000? To say the least with just those being more or less confirmed? All with zero J-10 losses. The ridiculous disparity within just 30 minutes or so of the most heavy and large scale air to air engagement in modern history (and this includes Ukraine - Russia war) should indicate a lot of tactical superiority was yielded/handed/mastered by Pakistani Airforce.
Just because we ought to be proud of what Chinese missiles and fighters can do (second tier - third tier level, export grade and dated at that), we cannot lose track of reality. If Pakistan were flying Rafales and India were flying J-10s, the same thing would have happened to J-10s.
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Interesting information in the press release by PAF about Cooperative Engagement Capability of PAF using AWACS and PL-15s.
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1. Bahawalpur isnt far from the border.
2. You dont snipe at 200km when shooting from low altitude to targets at higher altitude.
3. What RoEs when you literally have A2A escorts with you.
They got outplayed.
What kind of ai generates monstrosity is depicted in the infographics???
Pakistan to Upgrades Mirage Fleet with Grifo-E AESA Radar
Grifo-E AESA integration with 157km detection range and 24-target tracking capability signals Pakistan’s strategic recalibration in South Asia’s high-intensity, network-centric air warfare environment.
