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[tamsen_ikard]

Venezuela is a peanut in the Latin American political landscape and China has been doing fine for years dealing directly with Brazil, Mexico, and others. Likewise in the Middle East with China's dealings with Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. The political destruction of Iran and Venezuela and conversion into puppet states is actually not significant for China. The biggest losers by far are the Venezuelan and Iranian people.

Its not about trade. China will continue to trade with everyone. Its about strategic loyalties. When was the last time a country firmly changed its stance from pro-west to Pro-China/Russia, or even neutral to pro-China/Russia?

Instead the opposite has happened, countries that resisted western domination have been singled out, sanctioned, sometimes bombed, and eventually life has been made a living hell for its people. Its only a matter of time, but pretty much all these countries in this kind of hopeless scenario will admit defeat and likely have some kind of regime change towards the west. its just pragmatism.

So, what incentive is there for a new country to change its political stance and fight western domination? If its so costly and ultimately leads to defeat?

The example of Iran, venezuela, Cuba only makes other countries bow down to US and European domination. They get afraid and accept humiliation. This also negatively affects China as no country trusts China to be a strong backer. So, they listen to the order of US and the west when it comes to enforcing sanctions against China and Russia.

As China gets powerful, the west will force countries to choose sides and use these past example to threaten them to shun Chinese trade, investment or influence. China needs to start spending its money and resources to start backing up countries like Iran. It needs to stop being fence sitter. Cause otherwize, it will be truly isolated over time.

 

[A potato]

Its not about trade. China will continue to trade with everyone. Its about strategic loyalties. When was the last time a country firmly changed its stance from pro-west to Pro-China/Russia, or even neutral to pro-China/Russia?

Instead the opposite has happened, countries that resisted western domination have been singled out, sanctioned, sometimes bombed, and eventually life has been made a living hell for its people. Its only a matter of time, but pretty much all these countries in this kind of hopeless scenario will admit defeat and likely have some kind of regime change towards the west. its just pragmatism.

So, what incentive is there for a new country to change its political stance and fight western domination? If its so costly and ultimately leads to defeat?

The example of Iran, venezuela, Cuba only makes other countries bow down to US and European domination. They get afraid and accept humiliation. This also negatively affects China as no country trusts China to be a strong backer. So, they listen to the order of US and the west when it comes to enforcing sanctions against China and Russia.

As China gets powerful, the west will force countries to choose sides and use these past example to threaten them to shun Chinese trade, investment or influence. China needs to start spending its money and resources to start backing up countries like Iran. It needs to stop being fence sitter. Cause otherwize, it will be truly isolated over time.

I mean even if China gets powerful we wouldn't have any allies because there is a good chance those allies would stab China in the back aswell (North Korea, Albania back stabbed China) in the future. What we should have learned from the Anti Japanese War and Sino Soviet Split is that we can only rely on our selves. China will most likely pursue an Isolated bloc (Non Aligned) path because it's the best path forwawrd.

 

[TPenglake]

After the Israel war i thought there will be change of thinking in Iranian people and they will realize that current regime is what keeps them safe and pandering to US and bowing down to Israel is not the way. But it seems Iran has moved in the opposite direction. The Iranians have become even more pro-western and have given up their independent foreign policy.

with this sadly I have to say that, Iran is done. Its over. It will fall into the western camp.

With both Venezuela and Iran falling into the western camp, things will be bad for China and Russia in both of those regions.

Tbf, nationalism is only ever a temporary sugar rush that wears off if the reality the people experience doesn't warrant the surge in pride and support for the government. Less we forget Iran these past few months has been having really bad droughts and water rationing, precisely due to the government's mismanagement of the country's water resources. The resentment was already there and I guess this bout of inflation is the tipping point.

Iran has never had an organized opposition that people with grievances against the government can rally behind, so these protests like many others may fizzle out. But when it comes to Chinese support for such regimes with such high levels of corruption, the level of intervention the PRC is currently comfortable with, which is pretty minimal, means that any money or weapons that goes into will basically be swallowed up like a black hole. It's a problem that can't be rectified unless China went full Soviet and put advisers on the ground, but even historically that policy from the Soviets yielded mixed results.

 

[Africablack]

Its not about trade. China will continue to trade with everyone. Its about strategic loyalties. When was the last time a country firmly changed its stance from pro-west to Pro-China/Russia, or even neutral to pro-China/Russia?

Instead the opposite has happened, countries that resisted western domination have been singled out, sanctioned, sometimes bombed, and eventually life has been made a living hell for its people. Its only a matter of time, but pretty much all these countries in this kind of hopeless scenario will admit defeat and likely have some kind of regime change towards the west. its just pragmatism.

So, what incentive is there for a new country to change its political stance and fight western domination? If its so costly and ultimately leads to defeat?

The example of Iran, venezuela, Cuba only makes other countries bow down to US and European domination. They get afraid and accept humiliation. This also negatively affects China as no country trusts China to be a strong backer. So, they listen to the order of US and the west when it comes to enforcing sanctions against China and Russia.

As China gets powerful, the west will force countries to choose sides and use these past example to threaten them to shun Chinese trade, investment or influence. China needs to start spending its money and resources to start backing up countries like Iran. It needs to stop being fence sitter. Cause otherwize, it will be truly isolated over time.

The worst thing China can do is use its resources to start backing up countries like Iran and Venezuela. I've said here countless times that it's a losing strategy, even for the US. Despite what the Americans want the world to believe there's no cold war going on, it's just America lashing out and overextending itself in a bid to keep its decaying empire. Force can only take you so far. At the end of the day, China is the world's manufacturing giant, something the Soviets never achieved even at their peak, do you think all these newly minted western aligned countries are suddenly going to stop buying things from China just because the US tells them not to? Even if they did, how long do you think it will last? Look at Argentina, when Milei was campaigning and he said all the things he said about no doing business with China, he wins and then has to deal with the reality of dealing with China.

 

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[Minm]

I know an Iranian professional (who is a monarchist but that is beside this specific point), and he says the general perception of Chinese made goods among the average Iranian (and he claims the average Middle East person) is that it's cheap rubbish that falls apart or doesn't work. I said what about performance tests, and he said the average person does not believe those, thinking they must be faked or propaganda.

All I can say is that if they have this much trouble with reality testing, then let the chips fall where they may. It's a form of societal natural selection. Societies that best adapt to changing realities and stay in touch with reality will survive better than those that remain stuck in delusions and outdated stereotypes.

A monarchist must be quite old. This is a typical boomer sentiments and I can tell you that American and other boomer populations think the same. They're old, can't change

The other problem is that if you want the perception of Chinese products to improve, you actually need to sell them. After the Huawei affair, Chinese private companies have pulled out of the Iranian market because they fear US sanctions and they want to send their children to study in the west and not be abducted. In the AliExpress app you can't even select Iran as a shipping address. China has for many years refused to sell advanced weapons like planes to Iran, hoping to sell them to US allies instead. Even though Iran used to be a big customer of Chinese arms exports during and after the Iraqi invasion

 

[jiajia99]

Why China must make sure that Russia wins the Ukraine War:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2006035078850437400

Acknowledgment of China's success often triggers some serious coping.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2005790667029766372

Somehow, I think I am going to enjoy watching 2026 do a seriously number on these dumb bastards. Really sticking their noses into places where it doesn’t belong ought to carry some real consequences because it’s the only way these people will finally entertain the idea of stop annoying everyone with their double standards. It’s sickening then most of these idiots that do these dumb things always seem to fail upwards. Hence the French Revolution is a failure. Most of these stupid bureaucrats are still there to ruin things for everyone

 

[amlosny]

A monarchist must be quite old. This is a typical boomer sentiments and I can tell you that American and other boomer populations think the same. They're old, can't change

Australia and the UK are among the largest overseas markets for Chinese cars, and a big portion of those customers are boomers.
They love Chinese cars. If people in the "Five Eyes" —who actually hate China politically—can get over their bias, why are Iranian boomers still hold onto such deep-seated racism? Aren't Iran and China supposed to be in the same camp?

The other problem is that if you want the perception of Chinese products to improve, you actually need to sell them. After the Huawei affair, Chinese private companies have pulled out of the Iranian market because they fear US sanctions and they want to send their children to study in the west and not be abducted. In the AliExpress app you can't even select Iran as a shipping address.

Russia is sanctioned heavily, and on paper, Chinese companies have export controls there too. Yet, the Russians figure out how to get Chinese products. Even North Korea and Russia can manage parallel imports or smuggling in this global system—why is Iran incapable of doing the same? Aren't affordable, high-quality Chinese goods exactly what Iran’s sanction-crippled economy needs? Instead of figuring out import channels themselves, Iran expects Chinese companies to risk sanctions and hurt their own interests to enter? Where does this entitlement come from?

China has for many years refused to sell advanced weapons like planes to Iran, hoping to sell them to US allies instead.

Hoping to sell them to US allies instead??? Source? Or you mean Pakistan?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I know an Iranian professional (who is a monarchist but that is beside this specific point), and he says the general perception of Chinese made goods among the average Iranian (and he claims the average Middle East person) is that it's cheap rubbish that falls apart or doesn't work. I said what about performance tests, and he said the average person does not believe those, thinking they must be faked or propaganda.

All I can say is that if they have this much trouble with reality testing, then let the chips fall where they may. It's a form of societal natural selection. Societies that best adapt to changing realities and stay in touch with reality will survive better than those that remain stuck in delusions and outdated stereotypes.

Here's what I say to these people: nobody made you buy Chinese products.

 

[bsdnf]

I know an Iranian professional (who is a monarchist but that is beside this specific point), and he says the general perception of Chinese made goods among the average Iranian (and he claims the average Middle East person) is that it's cheap rubbish that falls apart or doesn't work. I said what about performance tests, and he said the average person does not believe those, thinking they must be faked or propaganda.

All I can say is that if they have this much trouble with reality testing, then let the chips fall where they may. It's a form of societal natural selection. Societies that best adapt to changing realities and stay in touch with reality will survive better than those that remain stuck in delusions and outdated stereotypes.

This is related to Iran's ecosystem.

Basically, their industry has become extremely inward-looking in order to counter the US blockade. But this also means that vested interests will be extremely resistant to the arrival of Chinese goods, which means that barriers will be broken and monopolies will be dismantled.