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As I have previously said, China continues to lose a tremendous amount of top tier talent. Tremendous amount.
That's true for most fields.
that's true but different context.
up until 2022-23 Chinese were the the largest foreign students group in USA around 300k now India overtook.. majority of these people failed to get admission in top Chinese universities and choose to go to west for higher studies and many includes those students who actually secured seat in top Chinese University but still went abroad for higher studies.
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but this trend rapidly changing.. less and less Chinese students now going abroad especially to USA. they choose other European countries instead due to geopolitics and Trade/tech war with USA.
in 2022, only 7 per cent of all Tsinghua graduates, across both undergraduates and post-graduates students pursued further studies aboard.
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we are still losing the talent but there is also an opposite trend. in past couple of years, Hundreds of Chinese scientists and Engineers returned to China.
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China is preparing for an unprecedented wave of new university graduates next summer – a record 12.7 million outgoing students
now tell me, how can we keep all these people. 12+ million new graduates coming next year. so its obvious we will loose so many talented people. we have over supply of talent and Engineers in all categories.. China cannot keep all people.
Japanese ,Koreans , Germans and Jewish. they were the small community in 19th and 20th century.
the reality is, China has the largest talent pool in Human history. 1+ Billion highly educated people.
I agree, but weirdly enough, China is working very hard to lose its one true advantage over everyone else, which is the scale of human capital. Like there are not even enough births now to keep that many graduates coming.
Anyways, my point is about the creme de la creme. To break frontiers sometimes a single person can be more important than hundreds or thousands of people. China still has a paucity of those kind of people.
The number of Chinese scientists and engineers abroad is in hundreds of thousands, so the returning ones are a drop in the bucket. In fact, most of the good ones who can find good jobs in US, usually end up staying in the US.
This stat is highly misleading, obviously postgrads would not go abroad, obviously a MBA grad is less likely to go abroad. I think the direction is right, that there are fewer people going abroad. However, the best and brightest are still flocking abroad. Some of the overall best young scholars and scientists are still going abroad.
It is true that many subpar students go abroad, but that ratio is also very high in extremely bright undergrad degree holders as well.
China needs to improve the quality of its graduate programs outside of the established top universities. You obviously cannot accommodate 12 million graduates when the entering class of the top 10 Chinese universities combined is <100,000 for graduate programs. But why are the students choosing to go overseas? It's because a degree from MIT, Cambridge, etc. is still more prestigious than a degree from a 2nd tier Chinese university. That must change if China is to truly retain all of its top talent.
Investing in fertility and education is investing in the future. Ironically the latter has a suppressive effective on the former, but with enough money and will, all is possible.
Investing in fertility and education is investing in the future. Ironically the latter has a suppressive effective on the former, but with enough money and will, all is possible.