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[AssassinsMace]

This is where the Chinese should put out there that the US is for alliances not so they can all protect each other from an outside threat. It's so the US has unilateral control over alliance members on what they can or cannot do. No more than seeing that happening today. The US is only thinking about themselves over what allies think is important. It's not only Trump but Biden also exercised this over allies especially over hi-tech trade with other countries like China. And what are Europeans complaining about today? They're complaining how China is not buying anything from them while they're still buying from China. That's what happens when they deny what China wants to buy from them. Everything else that they want China to buy because they have to keep US national security interests in mind and doesn't violate it China can get somewhere else. In other words they're trying to hypocritically sell their overcapacity to China. Europeans are such a cuck for the US that they don't dare even think of that. Instead they'll blame China for not allowing them to rape China at will. To them that's easier. Are the Chinese going to do this? No because they're afraid doing anything might get them mad even more. When China does defend itself, they call that aggression. You think saying nothing doing nothing is what's best? That's what happens when the Chinese don't do anything. They think what they believe and do is normal. Other cucks like Japan and South Korea don't see it because their own petty nationalism blinds them to it.

 

[4Runner]

This is where the Chinese should put out there that the US is for alliances not so they can all protect each other from an outside threat. It's so the US has unilateral control over alliance members on what they can or cannot do. No more than seeing that happening today. The US is only thinking about themselves over what allies think is important. It's not only Trump but Biden also exercised this over allies especially over hi-tech trade with other countries like China. And what are Europeans complaining about today? They're complaining how China is not buying anything from them while they're still buying from China. That's what happens when they deny what China wants to buy from them. Everything else that they want China to buy because they have to keep US national security interests in mind and doesn't violate it China can get somewhere else. In other words they're trying to hypocritically sell their overcapacity to China. Europeans are such a cuck for the US that they don't dare even think of that. Instead they'll blame China for not allowing them to rape China at will. To them that's easier. Are the Chinese going to do this? No because they're afraid doing anything might get them mad even more. When China does defend itself, they call that aggression. You think saying nothing doing nothing is what's best? That's what happens when the Chinese don't do anything. They think what they believe and do is normal. Other cucks like Japan and South Korea don't see it because their own petty nationalism blinds them to it.

When Trump 2.0 rekindled "G2", it is quite different from when Obama suggested to Hu right after the great financial crises. Back then, it was an urgent tactical move because US needed China to help get out of the crises. Hu rejected that suggestion but Wen decided it was in China's interests to assist US getting out of the crises. This time around, in the stalemate of trade/tech war(s), US is slowly but surely recognizing that it may have a peer for the first time in more than 100 years. In that context, China does not have to explain this or that to anyone other than the Great Leader Trump. You see this in Netherland. You see this in Japan. And you are going to see the same movie over and over as long as US is not directly involved. It is very uncharacteristic and deafening that, during the ongoing Japan drama, the rest of the west is eerily quiet. Oh, we are talking about Japan, the former #2 economy and the current #3/4 economy and the county once thought itself as "the Japan that can say no".

That all being said, in the spirit of the great American holiday season, I still believe in peace on earth for Trump just wants a deal and Xi just wants a nice history. The rest is just circus.

 

[CMP]

Wang Yi often says, "You can choose your friends, but you can never choose your neighbors." This statement is easy to understand; being kind to your neighbors is never wrong.
During the India-Pakistan conflict this year, India used dams on the upper Indus River to threaten Pakistan. I'd like to know your assessment of this.
How can we be sure that China didn't play a role in preventing Russia from joining NATO at that time? Given China's capabilities at the time, attacking Russia was clearly impossible, but there's more than one way to solve a problem.

Look at this deflection. He clearly proved China is not treaty-bound on this matter and you pivot to moralizing. If and when India ever harms Chinese interests even one iota again, China should halt all waterflows into India until sufficient recompense is made.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Let us be reminded on this day of mourning of the natives who were colonized and enslaved by foreign invaders who revolted in an uprising against even the British crown for placing the smallest of limits on their greed.

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[AssassinsMace]

When Trump 2.0 rekindled "G2", it is quite different from when Obama suggested to Hu right after the great financial crises. Back then, it was an urgent tactical move because US needed China to help get out of the crises. Hu rejected that suggestion but Wen decided it was in China's interests to assist US getting out of the crises. This time around, in the stalemate of trade/tech war(s), US is slowly but surely recognizing that it may have a peer for the first time in more than 100 years. In that context, China does not have to explain this or that to anyone other than the Great Leader Trump. You see this in Netherland. You see this in Japan. And you are going to see the same movie over and over as long as US is not directly involved. It is very uncharacteristic and deafening that, during the ongoing Japan drama, the rest of the west is eerily quiet. Oh, we are talking about Japan, the former #2 economy and the current #3/4 economy and the county once thought itself as "the Japan that can say no".

That all being said, in the spirit of the great American holiday season, I still believe in peace on earth for Trump just wants a deal and Xi just wants a nice history. The rest is just circus.

The West will continue to dictate to China what its responsibilities are and these so-called alliances or groupings are for that. It's no different when the West thought they could dictate whether China was a superpower or not. It's all superficial nonsense just to get China to do what they want and certainly not the other way around. China has all the things that they worry a superpower that they have no control over has without their consent so China is a superpower whether they like it or not. All these labelings are superficial nonsense. There are plenty in the West that don't want China to be that elite. They're not going to give out that honor that easily even when it's worthless because they think their opinion is worth that much.

 

[Phead128]

I don't care about titles, India is a long term threat to china is the point.

What a weirdo trying to split Russia+China by over exaggerating Indian threat.

India is a nobody, US is way worse than Russia, and China needs all the imperialistic powerful friends it can get. The US/NATO threat is clearly immediate priority, Russia/Indian land disputes is like unhabitable frozen wasteland in comparison, low priority.

 

[Randomuser]

India today is no longer the laughable nation it was ten or fifty years ago. It has broken free from the vicious cycle of chaos and internal strife typical of Third World countries.

I have no intention of praising India's policies and strategies, but since emerging from the pandemic, India has demonstrated remarkable growth in manufacturing, foreign investment, and domestic demand. It is evident that India has entered a virtuous cycle of demographic dividend, domestic demand growth, and inflow of foreign capital and manufacturing relocation. This resembles China's situation around the year 2000. However, given India's infrastructure and government efficiency, it is unlikely to achieve the same growth rates as China did during that period. Nevertheless, this development is sufficient to warrant China's vigilance. China's concern about manufacturing shifting to India rather than Vietnam or Europe is well-founded.

I dunno stat wise everyone keeps talking about India rivaling China in manufacturing but I think it is more likely to be Vietnam.

You might hear Indians talk about nonsense about how they manufacture (aka assemble iphones) right now but guess who's theor biggest rival in that? Vietnam. In fact for ipads and all the other apple side products, it's actually Vietnam who assembles it in the highest amount. Trump knows this which is why he traiff Vietnam for doing China 's bidding.

We talk about not underestimating India which I get. But why do a disservice to underestimate Vietnam? They actually have more suppliers than India funny enough.

Btw I remember some dude from gavekal says by end of 2025 the rupee will hit 90 rupees to 1 usd. Jai Hinds probably called him a retard or china shill. Yet it's 89.37 to 1 usd right now.

 

[another505]

Dude, go take a walk outside without a cellphone. It's good for you.

It's not china problems, so why would china care anyways when china is obligated to their own people and national survival are above all. It's has to choose between their own people survival or prevent disaster from population that china isn't obligated to

Chinese survival environment is also affect by Russian action to bring India to balance. We need to understand this as well

Okay kid, stop being naive and grown up. I know you can make better argument than this

It's Chinese water in Chinese territory and only for China to use. Outsiders have no say in this and are free to wage war over it if they wish. We'll have the pleasure of getting to watch the entire IAF get shot down.

Agree, some members here are disgusting. Why should we stoop so low and copy the worst traits from other nations and their history?
China is thriving without water diversion so I don't see how " committing water diversion from India" as an atrocity is needed to survive.

You guys treat life and war like Hearts of Iron 4 or something.

 

[Nevermore]

I dunno stat wise everyone keeps talking about India rivaling China in manufacturing but I think it is more likely to be Vietnam.

You might hear Indians talk about nonsense about how they manufacture (aka assemble iphones) right now but guess who's theor biggest rival in that? Vietnam. In fact for ipads and all the other apple side products, it's actually Vietnam who assembles it in the highest amount. Trump knows this which is why he traiff Vietnam for doing China 's bidding.

We talk about not underestimating India which I get. But why do a disservice to underestimate Vietnam? They actually have more suppliers than India funny enough.

Btw I remember some dude from gavekal says by end of 2025 the rupee will hit 90 rupees to 1 usd. Jai Hinds probably called him a retard or china shill. Yet it's 89.37 to 1 usd right now.

My answer is that Vietnam's relatively small population imposes an upper limit on its development. Similar to South Korea and Japan, even after absorbing advanced Western technologies and capturing allied markets, their domestic markets remain too small. Once urban modernization reaches a certain level, the nation's overall development momentum significantly weakens. At this stage, these countries have yet to achieve developed levels in numerous specialized industries.

Another point is that although Vietnam has had hostile relations with China in modern history, its current policy toward China is generally very pragmatic. Compared to China's other restless neighbors, Vietnam—this "little brother" sandwiched between the Chinese and American camps—appears far more friendly. Moreover, Vietnam possesses neither nuclear weapons nor a formidable military, and its economy is highly dependent on China. China can therefore feel completely at ease regarding Vietnam.

 

[Temstar]

So what can the West do? Start Opium War 3? BTW, China's trade balance is not nearly as skewed as the article implies if China's import of services is properly counted.

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So TLDR: China as the industrial Cthulhu is too powerful and coming for your industries? Sounds like a skill issue to me.

The pattern was already clear pre-COVID. I remember sometime after China wiped out other producers of tunnel boring machines and made that one crucible of ball point pen steel people domestically picked up the pattern and coined a name for this: 发达国家粉碎机 / Crusher of Advanced Economies. Basically if you were producing something with high mark up and selling to China there are two things you definitely don't want to happen:

1. Some Chinese industrialist looking at your product catalogue, suck air through their teeth and go "that's a bit expensive, isn't it?"
2. Some Chinese liberal start writing articles about how your products are crown jewel of Industrialisation and China is not capable of producing it and it ends up getting a lot of views

Because then it means the gaze of Crusher of Advanced Economies will be upon you and you may not be in business for much longer as China "cabbagrise" your sector. Particularly with point 2, often times it's not China's intention to crush an existing niche market, but libs want to use it to beat over Chinese people and there's always people who are going to step forward and prove them wrong.