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I‘ve said this multiple times. If you visited Iranian spaces back in 2915, you would have gotten the impression that they think they are too good for China. It‘s a population that are so delusional that they think they are a piece of Europe in the middle east.

No, Iranians don't think they're European. But there's quite a lot of dislike of Arabs because of their invasion in 1980. Understandable. Many people on this forum keep making the same mistake over and over again. People you'll find on English language forums are most likely emigrants. Comparable to the people who fled the mainland to go to Taiwan because they didn't want to live under the new government.

In any case, China in 2015 was not the same as China in 2025. The facts are simple. After the deal, Iran invited all countries, western and Chinese, to invest. China did invest but then pulled out because of trump.

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They also started building an HSR line in 2015. But for some reason progress stopped. But it might now be picking up again as China has accepted being in a new cold war.

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They also invited Huawei to upgrade their telecoms infrastructure. The west abducted the founders daughter and private Chinese companies have been afraid of coming to Iran since.

It's a clear picture. The Iranian government wanted China involved. Americans with Iranian ancestry and royalists with no support in their former home might think differently

 

[uguduwa]

No, Iranians don't think they're European. But there's quite a lot of dislike of Arabs because of their invasion in 1980. Understandable. Many people on this forum keep making the same mistake over and over again. People you'll find on English language forums are most likely emigrants. Comparable to the people who fled the mainland to go to Taiwan because they didn't want to live under the new government.

In any case, China in 2015 was not the same as China in 2025. The facts are simple. After the deal, Iran invited all countries, western and Chinese, to invest. China did invest but then pulled out because of trump.

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They also started building an HSR line in 2015. But for some reason progress stopped. But it might now be picking up again as China has accepted being in a new cold war.

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They also invited Huawei to upgrade their telecoms infrastructure. The west abducted the founders daughter and private Chinese companies have been afraid of coming to Iran since.

It's a clear picture. The Iranian government wanted China involved. Americans with Iranian ancestry and royalists with no support in their former home might think differently

Not my experience when dealing with a lot of FOB Iranians. They unironically believe that they are most similar to Germans and Italians. In fact, western born Iranians and quite grounded in this because they face racism from a young age. This stems from them „Aryan“ identity whatever the hell that mesns. They first need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and stop living in the past - be it Persian empire or Islamic. Nobody in the west accepts Iranians to be one of them. Iranians look like any other refugee group from the middle east.

They need to prioritize economy because time is running out for them. They are facing demographic problems and oil is losing relevance every year.

 

[Minm]

Not my experience when dealing with a lot of FOB Iranians. They unironically believe that they are most similar to Germans and Italians. In fact, western born Iranians and quite grounded in this because they face racism from a young age. This stems from them „Aryan“ identity whatever the hell that mesns. They first need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and stop living in the past - be it Persian empire or Islamic. Nobody in the west accepts Iranians to be one of them. Iranians look like any other refugee group from the middle east.

They need to prioritize economy because time is running out for them. They are facing demographic problems and oil is losing relevance every year.

I'm still not convinced that people who flee Iran as refugees are representative of the society at all. They tend to be like the female Chinese origin journalists you get in the west. Many are from minorities and might be Armenian or other Christians. Obviously this is a self selected group of people that spent significant effort to go to Europe. And it's not like Mediterranean Europeans and Mediterranean Arabs and the Iranians look hugely different. Obviously they're not like the Germans. In fact, before the recent mass migration, it used to be common for west Asians in northern Europe to be mistaken for Mediterranean Europeans

If you know anything about Iran, you'll know that they have used the word Aryan to describe themselves for thousands of years and it's just an embarrassment for the Germans that they had to steal a foreign ethnic name to describe their own made up race.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1983561380155584671

More interestingly, there are reports that China is shipping more rocket fuel to Iran, in accordance with the view that the snapback sanctions are illegal and not in force.

The brief war with Israel proved to all observers that Iran isn't so brittle as to collapse easily to a regime change operation and has some significant but limited military capabilities. That makes it much more useful as an ally than what some might have believed previously. At the same time the treacherous behaviour of the west to launch a surprise attack during negotiations has fatally damaged the factions in favour of engagement with the west. It's now very common to criticise rouhani for making the nuclear deal in the first place. After being forced to stay on the fence by the jcpoa, Iran is now moving towards closer alignment with Russia and China. Israel shouldn't have started the war if they couldn't totally defeat Iran. Now they have only created a more dangerous enemy

 

[uguduwa]

I'm still not convinced that people who flee Iran as refugees are representative of the society at all. They tend to be like the female Chinese origin journalists you get in the west. Many are from minorities and might be Armenian or other Christians. Obviously this is a self selected group of people that spent significant effort to go to Europe. And it's not like Mediterranean Europeans and Mediterranean Arabs and the Iranians look hugely different. Obviously they're not like the Germans. In fact, before the recent mass migration, it used to be common for west Asians in northern Europe to be mistaken for Mediterranean Europeans

If you know anything about Iran, you'll know that they have used the word Aryan to describe themselves for thousands of years and it's just an embarrassment for the Germans that they had to steal a foreign ethnic name to describe their own made up race.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1983561380155584671

More interestingly, there are reports that China is shipping more rocket fuel to Iran, in accordance with the view that the snapback sanctions are illegal and not in force.

The brief war with Israel proved to all observers that Iran isn't so brittle as to collapse easily to a regime change operation and has some significant but limited military capabilities. That makes it much more useful as an ally than what some might have believed previously. At the same time the treacherous behaviour of the west to launch a surprise attack during negotiations has fatally damaged the factions in favour of engagement with the west. It's now very common to criticise rouhani for making the nuclear deal in the first place. After being forced to stay on the fence by the jcpoa, Iran is now moving towards closer alignment with Russia and China. Israel shouldn't have started the war if they couldn't totally defeat Iran. Now they have only created a more dangerous enemy

Vast majority of Iranians don‘t look like Italians and this exact being hung up on the past is why Iran is missing out on its future. They are obsessed with the name Aryan exqctly because it was used by western Europeans at some point in time otherwise nobody cares what forgotten name a middle eastern people used to call themselves a gazillion years ago. Regarding people identifying themselves as Germans, I‘ve posted a video on this very thread of a random street interview in Iran and the results are also consistent with my personal experience.

Regarding their relations with China, I would say it‘s a step in the positive direction. It would however be better if they put their historical chest thumping behind and focus on their future because frankly time is running out for them as I‘ve mentioned earlier. There are very few years of demographic dividends left for Iran. If they don‘t take advantage of it, then it‘s sayonara forever. A rational government would put the entire conflict in the ME in the closet for at least a few decades before the country reaches a certain level of development.

 

[Minm]

Vast majority of Iranians don‘t look like Italians and this exact being hung up on the past is why Iran is missing out on its future. They are obsessed with the name Aryan exqctly because it was used by western Europeans at some point in time otherwise nobody cares what forgotten name a middle eastern people used to call themselves a gazillion years ago. Regarding people identifying themselves as Germans, I‘ve posted a video on this very thread of a random street interview in Iran and the results are also consistent with my personal experience.

Regarding their relations with China, I would say it‘s a step in the positive direction. It would however be better if they put their historical chest thumping behind and focus on their future because frankly time is running out for them as I‘ve mentioned earlier. There are very few years of demographic dividends left for Iran. If they don‘t take advantage of it, then it‘s sayonara forever. A rational government would put the entire conflict in the ME in the closet for at least a few decades before the country reaches a certain level of development.

Seems like you're quite obsessed with race. You must be American. I'm sorry.

They tried mending relations with the west. What happened? In fact, they have started to make up with Sunni Arab kingdoms over the last few years and the current government did what they could to avoid getting involved in the wars that Israel launched. What do you expect them to do? Abolish the Islamic Republic and recognise Israel? It's not that clear that they could have avoided war and sanctions by acting differently. Libya and Syria gave up their nuclear and chemical weapons programs and it didn't do them any good. Even if Iran had given up its nuclear program, funding of Hezbollah and reduced its missile range so that it couldn't hit Israel, what makes you think that they wouldn't have been targeted anyway? The west will find a reason.

But the future might be bright. The Western attacks and the Ukraine war and trade war between China and the US have forced all the enemies of the west to cooperate more. The domestic debate in Iran on whether to turn west or east (or north) has firmly been decided thanks to Israel. Iran will benefit from this. The free trade agreement with the Eurasian economic union that went into effect earlier this year and Iranian membership in brics and sco are part of the newly emerging bloc of non western countries

 

[uguduwa]

Seems like you're quite obsessed with race. You must be American. I'm sorry.

They tried mending relations with the west. What happened? In fact, they have started to make up with Sunni Arab kingdoms over the last few years and the current government did what they could to avoid getting involved in the wars that Israel launched. What do you expect them to do? Abolish the Islamic Republic and recognise Israel? It's not that clear that they could have avoided war and sanctions by acting differently. Libya and Syria gave up their nuclear and chemical weapons programs and it didn't do them any good. Even if Iran had given up its nuclear program, funding of Hezbollah and reduced its missile range so that it couldn't hit Israel, what makes you think that they wouldn't have been targeted anyway? The west will find a reason.

But the future might be bright. The Western attacks and the Ukraine war and trade war between China and the US have forced all the enemies of the west to cooperate more. The domestic debate in Iran on whether to turn west or east (or north) has firmly been decided thanks to Israel. Iran will benefit from this. The free trade agreement with the Eurasian economic union that went into effect earlier this year and Iranian membership in brics and sco are part of the newly emerging bloc of non western countries

You are still talking about enemies, geopoliticsl games and what not. The impression is that you want to be stuck in the ghetto culture of the middle east obsessing over which fairy tale from 1000 years ago is right or which empire ruled which area a gazillion years ago. In my opinion, if Iran were to develop, it needs to forget about the past, give up playing big power politics because it isn’t one and limit interactions with the MENA just for trade otherwise this petty conflict will go nowhere and Iran would be poor until it collapses.

China is actually a good blueprint for IR to reform. In 60s, 70s, China was rampant with commie fantacism but they learnt from their mistakes and reformed to become what it is today.

 

[sheogorath]

You are still talking about enemies, geopoliticsl games and what not. The impression is that you want to be stuck in the ghetto culture of the middle east obsessing over which fairy tale from 1000 years ago is right or which empire ruled which area a gazillion years ago. In my opinion, if Iran were to develop, it needs to forget about the past, give up playing big power politics because it isn’t one and limit interactions with the MENA just for trade otherwise this petty conflict will go nowhere and Iran would be poor until it collapses.

China is actually a good blueprint for IR to reform. In 60s, 70s, China was rampant with commie fantacism but they learnt from their mistakes and reformed to become what it is today.

"These people should forget about the atrocities we have commited against them if they want to develop, look at China, they totally did that(plot twist: they didnt) and are all the better for it!".

Also funny considering how the west is pretty much reversing in the religious obscuranting and kanging over empires of thousands of years ago.

 

[uguduwa]

"These people should forget about the atrocities we have commited against them if they want to develop, look at China, they totally did that(plot twist: they didnt) and are all the better for it!".

Also funny considering how the west is pretty much reversing in the religious obscuranting and kanging over empires of thousands of years ago.

That‘s the pragmatic thing to do but feel free to waste time and resources stuck in an unwinnable conflict until demographic dividends run out. Afterwards you can fight your wars from nursing homes and wheelchairs.

 

[Minm]

You are still talking about enemies, geopoliticsl games and what not. The impression is that you want to be stuck in the ghetto culture of the middle east obsessing over which fairy tale from 1000 years ago is right or which empire ruled which area a gazillion years ago. In my opinion, if Iran were to develop, it needs to forget about the past, give up playing big power politics because it isn’t one and limit interactions with the MENA just for trade otherwise this petty conflict will go nowhere and Iran would be poor until it collapses.

China is actually a good blueprint for IR to reform. In 60s, 70s, China was rampant with commie fantacism but they learnt from their mistakes and reformed to become what it is today.

You talk as if Iran is living in a safe environment where you can focus on economic development without military development. Iran didn't attack Israel, it's the other way round. Iran also didn't attack Iraq, it was Saddam who attacked, financed by Saudi etc. It has been regularly threatened with invasion by the us. Preemptively disarming yourself is not a solution and will only get you attacked earlier

Iran has actually been following your advice to become less interventionist, reducing its involvement in regional conflicts, which are not very popular at home. You're also right about the comparison with China. More than 40 years post revolution, people are much less ideological and you can see that in the relaxation of the domestic hijab regulations and the end of the morality police. Iran has been less involved in Syria for years and is not active post Assad at all. They made peace with Saudi Arabia and aren't interested in spreading the islamic revolution anymore. They're not helping Iraqi insurgents kill us soldiers anymore. Support for Hezbollah has been mostly warm words.

Today, good trade relations with Iraq and the UAE allow them to evade sanctions and contrary to western media claims, the economy is also developing. Sure, the withdrawal of western businesses and the end of trade with the west combined with the reduction in Chinese oil purchases due to sanctions since 2011 hurt the economy and caused a "lost decade". But somehow western media always claim that the Iranian economy is weakening every year but in fact it has started growing strongly again since COVID and is now back to its previous peak. They managed to recover with little outside help and under pressure from the west. If now trade and investment with Russia and China takes off, an economy that's starved for capital has great growth potential.

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Could they move faster? Put more emphasis on the economy and less on the foreign adventures? Sure, the balance isn't quite perfect. No government is perfect, the Iranian one is ok, not great, not terrible. But the Western caricature of a nation held hostage by religious ideologues that sacrifice the economy for their international jihad is simply untrue.

 

[uguduwa]

You talk as if Iran is living in a safe environment where you can focus on economic development without military development. Iran didn't attack Israel, it's the other way round. Iran also didn't attack Iraq, it was Saddam who attacked, financed by Saudi etc. It has been regularly threatened with invasion by the us. Preemptively disarming yourself is not a solution and will only get you attacked earlier

Iran has actually been following your advice to become less interventionist, reducing its involvement in regional conflicts, which are not very popular at home. You're also right about the comparison with China. More than 40 years post revolution, people are much less ideological and you can see that in the relaxation of the domestic hijab regulations and the end of the morality police. Iran has been less involved in Syria for years and is not active post Assad at all. They made peace with Saudi Arabia and aren't interested in spreading the islamic revolution anymore. They're not helping Iraqi insurgents kill us soldiers anymore. Support for Hezbollah has been mostly warm words.

Today, good trade relations with Iraq and the UAE allow them to evade sanctions and contrary to western media claims, the economy is also developing. Sure, the withdrawal of western businesses and the end of trade with the west combined with the reduction in Chinese oil purchases due to sanctions since 2011 hurt the economy and caused a "lost decade". But somehow western media always claim that the Iranian economy is weakening every year but in fact it has started growing strongly again since COVID and is now back to its previous peak. They managed to recover with little outside help and under pressure from the west. If now trade and investment with Russia and China takes off, an economy that's starved for capital has great growth potential.

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Could they move faster? Put more emphasis on the economy and less on the foreign adventures? Sure, the balance isn't quite perfect. No government is perfect, the Iranian one is ok, not great, not terrible. But the Western caricature of a nation held hostage by religious ideologues that sacrifice the economy for their international jihad is simply untrue.

I agree with your post for the most part but a slight correction: I don‘t advocate for disarming or losing conventional military capabilities of Iran. On the contrary, I think Iran should maintain excellent conventional capabilities. If you read this very own thread, I was advocating for Iran receiving weapons from China. I am, however, against propping up Shia proxies all over the place which I think is the source of majority of conflicts against Iran.