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iewgnem

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(Just in) Breaking: China has just removed 9 top PLA commander generals from duty, found they guilty, and sent them to jail. :eek::oops:

What has happened? Does anyone know more details?

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Sounds like defence contract violation with money involved.
Didn't say sent them to jail, just removal of rank and party membership and case being sent to military court.
 

Expert1324

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Mongol nationalist.
Mongols are ethnic Chinese people whether those clowns like it or not, these are just facts. They are the one who broke away from the Motherland due to Soviet influences and Anti-Chinese propaganda, we are factually the original land, their delusions do not change facts. Theres a reason why there's many people who feel that if we can no longer get back Outer-Mongolia, they should be pushed to be renamed as "Republic of Khalkha" instead, because the name "Mongolia" is very misleading as they absolutely do not represent Mongolia and the Mongolian people, who are Chinese. This is similar to how Greece pushed Macedonia to be renamed as "North-Macedonia" due to similar principles, and rightfully so.

Also, China is indeed an empire, but we are mostly peaceful as evident by history. Even at our strongest, we did not invade others unless provoked. And to extend influences, we extensively use trades and establishes autonomous tributary systems instead of unnecessary wars, which is literally not seen in any other empires when they get extremely powerful!!! (Just look at the Silk Road or figures such as Zheng He.) This pure level of restrain and the idea of pursuing prosperity instead of violence is ingrained from the very concepts of Confucianism!!! This is absolutely incomparable to the pure evilness of other empires such as the Russian, Japanese and the British empires, who were always out for Blood, Exploitation, Extortion and Violence, especially when they became very strong!!! Just because they are all named "empires" does not mean they are the same!!! Your comment on China is just absolutely wrong. Also, China never conquered Mongols, it is Mongols that first conquered Han people, got Sinicized and self-identifies as Chinese, and we became under one group of ethnics called "Chinese ethnic", which mainly consist of 5 races that is part of the great Chinese civilization. This is also reflected in the Qing dynasty transfer-of-power edict as well, "總期人民安堵,海宇乂安,仍合滿、漢、蒙、回、藏五族完全領土為一大中華民國。" translated: "Peace may be assured and restored to the people and country, all while retaining the complete territorial integrity of the lands of the five races—Manchu, Han, Mongol, Muslims, and Tibetan—which shall combine to form a great Republic of China."

Capability and immediate interest is what matters.
I absolutely agree with this. China will get stronger and in the future hopefully be able to regain the losses and right the wrongs, remembering what is lost is therefore important as it is a part of our history, it should absolutely be ingrained into the Chinese consciousness and never be forgotten. BUT of course, being stronger is the only thing that matters at the end of the day and would be the main focus here, as that's literally how the world works - the one with the biggest fist talks.
 
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Chevalier

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TACO. He is absolutely looking for a face saving exit.

The fact that they still care about face saving means that they haven’t realized the gravity of the situation.
Hang on, I was told specifically by western mouthpieces and “china hands” that ”face” was a big deal to Asians and inscrutable Chinese and superior westerners never practiced such backwards beliefs.

Hell the post Berlin wall 90s were a wild time where westerners made up anything about China and other gullible westerners believed them. Did you know back in the 19th century, they said Chinese women had sideways vaginas? That’s the sort of Israeli coded sexual pathology we’re talking here.
 

Expert1324

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Next, at the hotel, when you see people getting whisked aside for separate check-in, escorted to the lounge floor, enjoying welcome drinks/gifts/fruit baskets and upgraded to suites even though they booked run of house. Don't get upset. :cool: It's just hotel membership tiers at work.
If it is based on racial discrimination and white worship, I can and I will get rightfully upset. Nothing wrong with calling out BS.

Also, although what you said might be possible and I do use those perks from time to time, but there is also something known as "Occam's razor" my friend. There is no reason out of hundreds of passengers the only guy who get the unexplained special treatment is a white guy, in a HK airline no less (usual suspects), there were also other contextual clues. And you bringing up hotels and arguing that I will also be upset based on that strawman is just excessive defending and intentionally missing the main point and the principles that I am trying to convey.
 

A potato

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Mongols are ethnic Chinese people whether those clowns like it or not, these are just facts. They are the one who broke away from the Motherland due to Soviet influences and Anti-Chinese propaganda, we are factually the original land, their delusions do not change facts. Theres a reason why there's many people who feel that if we can no longer get back Outer-Mongolia, they should be pushed to be renamed as "Republic of Khalkha" instead, because the name "Mongolia" is very misleading as they absolutely do not represent Mongolia and the Mongolian people, who are Chinese. This is similar to how Greece pushed Macedonia to be renamed as "North-Macedonia" due to similar principles, and rightfully so.

Also, China is indeed an empire, but we are mostly peaceful as evident by history. Even at our strongest, we did not invade others unless provoked. And to extend influences, we extensively use trades and establishes autonomous tributary systems instead of unnecessary wars, which is literally not seen in any other empires when they get extremely powerful!!! (Just look at the Silk Road or figures such as Zheng He.) This pure level of restrain and the idea of pursuing prosperity instead of violence is ingrained from the very concepts of Confucianism!!! This is absolutely incomparable to the pure evilness of other empires such as the Russian, Japanese and the British empires, who were always out for Blood, Exploitation, Extortion and Violence, especially when they became very strong!!! Just because they are all named "empires" does not mean they are the same!!! Your comment on China is just wrong. Also, China never conquered mongolia, it is Mongols that first conquered Han people, got Sinicized and self-identifies as Chinese, and we became under one group of ethnics called "Chinese ethnic", which mainly consist of 5 races that is part of the great Chinese civilization. This is also reflected in the Qing dynasty transfer-of-power edict as well, "總期人民安堵,海宇乂安,仍合滿、漢、蒙、回、藏五族完全領土為一大中華民國。" translated: "Peace may be assured and restored to the people and country, all while retaining the complete territorial integrity of the lands of the five races—Manchu, Han, Mongol, Muslims, and Tibetan—which shall combine to form a great Republic of China."


I absolutely agree with this. China will get stronger and in the future hopefully be able to regain the losses and right the wrongs, remembering what is lost in therefore important as it is a part of our history, it should absolutely be ingrained into the Chinese consciousness and never be forgotten. BUT of course, being stronger is the only thing that matters at the end of the day and would be the main focus here, as that's literally how the world works - the one with the biggest fist talks.
China did control parts Mongolia before Mongol existed (There were Xiongnu at that time) during Tang and Han dynasty but don't forget that they attacked first.
 

Expert1324

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China did control parts Mongolia before Mongol existed (There were Xiongnu at that time) during Tang and Han dynasty but don't forget that they attacked first.
You are right, I meant to say that China never conquered Mongols (not Mongolia), but they are the ones who conquered Han and self-identified as Chinese.

This is a typo, and I will make the edit now and thanks for pointing out.

Small wording difference but very big effects on the meaning!!! China indeed controlled many parts of mongolia before even Mongols existed. And in fact, even in perceived "han-led" dynasties like the Ming, we always controlled large parts of mongolia and manchuria continuously without fail despite misinformation claiming otherwise. Nurhaci (founder of Qing) was literally a Ming general controlling mongolian and manchu regions, while Zheng ChengGong who is another Ming general helped to defend taiwan from foreign invaders.

Mongolia as a whole region including tannu are undoubtedly Chinese lands from the very beginning with varying levels of Chinese control since the start. And the Xiongnu or the later Mongol people slowly Sinicized and self-identified as Chinese and self-recognized as being part of the greater Chinese civilization.
 
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