Interesting analyses by TR_tech. The underside of the nose will be a bit flatter with most likely the under-nose protrusion to be deleted. The entire underside of the fuselage will become in line with the upwards curve of the nose.
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I'm not sh.tting you, this writer is (in)famous for being a mouthpiece, getting paid to write antagonistic articles against Turkey for several foreign lobbies (you know who). He's even suggested multiple times that the U.S. should literally declare war on and invade Turkey. This should tell you something about his "expertise" and his "trustworthiness". Just type "Michael Rubin Turkey" on Google and you'll see what kind of a man he really is.
I have never heard of him before, but let's say what you claim is true. Does that change anything? The writer does seem intent on rallying Congressional opposition and helping to stop Turkey getting back into the F-35 programme.
This does not invalidate the claim that Trump wants Turkey back in. The article only reflects the writer's views on these developments, not whether they are true or not.
Why would Turkey not want get back in if Trump showed a willingness to let them? I never got the impression that Turkey was happy with being kicked out.
I think these are past tests, and they're only now releasing the clips one by one, since it's supposed to be inducted into service in 2026...
As I said so often … seems I‘m not alone with my opinion on being critical toward Kaan, the TF35000 and especially the IMO unrealistic timeline:
The main points:
"Turkey has signaled it is willing to compromise over the Russian S-400 missiles, though it is opposed to abandoning the hardware. Turkey could agree to a technical, joint military mechanism to supervise the missiles."
"The country’s efforts to develop its own high-performance military turbofans have made halting progress, with Tusas Engine Industries’ TF35000 facing snags in making the engine’s combustion chamber, turbine, nozzle, afterburner and exhaust, said the people, asking not to be identified because the topic is sensitive."
“The CAATSA issue is actually a major problem for us,” Although Turkey has assembled high-performance engines and components in the past, the lack of industrial experience in developing every element of such a complex system on its own has slowed the TF35000"
So the domestic engine will certainly not be ready by 2032. And there doesn't seem to be any plan B regarding alternative powerplants. Getting the U.S. to ease up on the export licenses is the only way forward. But as another poster mentioned, Turkey has burned a lot of bridges and has made powerful enemies in Congress.
The main points:
"Turkey has signaled it is willing to compromise over the Russian S-400 missiles, though it is opposed to abandoning the hardware. Turkey could agree to a technical, joint military mechanism to supervise the missiles."
"The country’s efforts to develop its own high-performance military turbofans have made halting progress, with Tusas Engine Industries’ TF35000 facing snags in making the engine’s combustion chamber, turbine, nozzle, afterburner and exhaust, said the people, asking not to be identified because the topic is sensitive."
“The CAATSA issue is actually a major problem for us,” Although Turkey has assembled high-performance engines and components in the past, the lack of industrial experience in developing every element of such a complex system on its own has slowed the TF35000"
So the domestic engine will certainly not be ready by 2032. And there doesn't seem to be any plan B regarding alternative powerplants. Getting the U.S. to ease up on the export licenses is the only way forward. But as another poster mentioned, Turkey has burned a lot of bridges and has made powerful enemies in Congress.
Talking the commends from their sources with a grain of salt, as we can identify them and asses the facts:
The timeline can be somewhat hopeful & unrealistic, because they need investment from outside, and the interior support for the program can be undermined if they say it's 2035 or 2040. So maybe it's better for them to say it'll be delayed when the deadline come, rather than saying "it will take too long" now.
Also, maybe they're betting on modern methods to shorten the time needed for R&D and manufacturing...
PS: "interior support" doesn't mean just the public, but also other parties, which can use this delays to attack the program to underming ruling party and win the elections and not caring about the truth -- of course, the ruling party is concerned that the program delays doesn't affect it's election results in the same way.
They can't just get rid of S-400 because they can used as a tramp card against an attack of a more powerful Air force like Israel which has F-35s, one battery of S-400 is not much but it does have an important value in a country's arsenal.
And more importantly, who can say if the US will keep their words? they can make them get rid of it, then they don't deliver the F-35 in the quantities, configurations,...etc. And they will do that to keep turkiye air force week and keep Israel ability to hit anybody with impunity.
And this danger about keeping their words and delivering the F-35 as promised, existed when Greece was the main problem, not Israel with it's influence in US polices.
And of course there's a plane B, even if it's not mature and they didn't invest a lot to make it ready & available. They can:
- Open talks with Russians or China
- Talk the road of Cyber warfare to get some advantageous data, and cut costs in time & money.
- ...etc
To be fair, it's eight, not one.
But yes, until at least Siper is deployed at scale, with maveric Israel and unfriendly Greece around, S400 batteries are the only thing that can form some skeleton to TAF air defenses.
They’re supposed to reach a major milestone next year, so why not just wait and see what happens (instead of going "oh, I knew this would happen...")? @Deino you certainly aren't as informed about this as you are about Chinese developments, I wouldn't take a definitive stance if I were you.
Especially if you don't know whether the sources quoted in the article are reliable. That's not something a moderator should be doing, FYI.
I mean, we've already been through something similar, you were convinced for sure that there was no way Turkey could successfully design and develop a fifth-gen entirely by itself, and were arguing with pragmatic Turks online that it was impossible; yet you were proven wrong, weren't you?
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Since the arrival of the S-400, Turkey has repeatedly offered to establish a joint military mechanism to supervise the system, but the American side has consistently refused this offer, and this part is nothing new. Beyond that, I couldn’t find a single factual piece of information in what you've shared.
It also relies on pure speculation without presenting any official quotes as sources.
There have been no indications of any actions Turkey will take regarding the F-35 issue. The only semi-indicator we've received comes from the US Ambassador Barrack, who mentioned that he expects the issue to be resolved by the end of the year.
Not to say there can be no delay to this project, but the indigenous engine will become a reality one way or the other. Contrary to what this article suggests (though "suggesting" is too weak a verb for what this article actually tries to portray), there has not even been the slightest speculation about a delay or halting progress. TEI has spent the past 15 years (or rather, 30+ years) building the necessary infrastructure, processes, and experience to ensure the success of this project. A quasi-scaled-down version of this engine has already materialized in the TF6000/10000, and it already incorporates many of the technologies that will be featured in the TF35000.
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No, it's 1 battalion = 2 batteries
(And they're collecting dust in hangars)