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CMP

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19th century era, they would just impose an Un-equal treaty on you using gun boats and troops.

Really, without nuclear weapons and strong military, China would be bullied into a Plaza 2.0 structural reform+currency revaluation Un-equal treaty by the G7 powers.

Funny how history rhymes...
You vastly underestimate the true evil of the opposition. China would be balkanized into at least half a dozen countries and each new country would be forced to embrace multi-party electoral politics. Each new country would have at least one party that is West-funded and controlled. Each new country would then be compelled to teach the next generation they are some other race, not the same as their neighbors, so as to eliminate the possibility and appeal of reunification. The media of each country would also become entirely controlled to reinforce and amplify the brainwashing taught in the schools. When one country is at risk of breaking out of Western control, its neighbors would be manipulated to contain it and force it back in line.
 

Eventine

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Not to be rude, but china is very much not a war culture, they are, like the Greeks, a bureaucratic culture. Nor is British culture war culture, its adventurer culture, hensewhy they loved colonising worthless rocks, and defending those rocks (falklands). Only war culture would be Slavic and Turkish culture, IE: Afghanistan, Mongolia, Russia. Also any culture can fight good, greeks brits and chinese, even if they arent warrors, just dont expect every man and women to show up to the enlistment office!
Indo-Europeans were a true nomadic hunter/herder/plunderer culture, and echoes of their heritage remain among Europeans, hence the periodic out bursts of violence and "warrior ethos." But the thing is, that's not all Europeans are descended from. They're also descended from the conquered farmers and gatherers native to Europe and over time, that component of the heritage has evolved to become more prominent, resulting in the capitalist obsession which is an invention of the Dutch merchants and Anglo-Scottish pilgrims.

The natural marriage and intersection of these two cultural impulses is slavery. The Indo-European warriors needed slaves to farm and feed and work for them, and that is why they created caste & feudal systems wherever they went. The capitalists also aspired to the same, just through more under handed methods than the threat of violence. In both cases we can see an intrinsic trend towards laziness and the building of parasitic / rent seeking systems. But within that trend is also the seed of their eventual collapse.
 

A potato

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Not to be rude, but china is very much not a war culture, they are, like the Greeks, a bureaucratic culture. Nor is British culture war culture, its adventurer culture, hensewhy they loved colonising worthless rocks, and defending those rocks (falklands). Only war culture would be Slavic and Turkish culture, IE: Afghanistan, Mongolia, Russia. Also any culture can fight good, greeks brits and chinese, even if they arent warrors, just dont expect every man and women to show up to the enlistment office!
Qing CCP Ming all avoided war at all cost for example
I mean China does have warrior ethnic groups like turkics, mongols and more famously non han sino-tibetan ethnic groups like the Gyalrongs or Jingpos who are very much warriors cultures.
 

Randomuser

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Not to be rude, but china is very much not a war culture, they are, like the Greeks, a bureaucratic culture. Nor is British culture war culture, its adventurer culture, hensewhy they loved colonising worthless rocks, and defending those rocks (falklands). Only war culture would be Slavic and Turkish culture, IE: Afghanistan, Mongolia, Russia. Also any culture can fight good, greeks brits and chinese, even if they arent warrors, just dont expect every man and women to show up to the enlistment office!
Qing CCP Ming all avoided war at all cost for example
Warrior culture is incredibly overrated by ignorant chuds who are still in their HOI4/Crusader Kings/AOE2/UFC phase.

Ironically I learnt about how overrated it was from places like 4chan.

Think about it. Even Romans who are known for their huge empire aren't really warriors but engineers and construction workers who happen to have a very efficient army. The warrior culture were those Germans and Huns to the north who they looked down on as barbarians. Just look at the track record of warrior cultures such as Sparta. Most of them got their asses kicked eventually coz they never bothered to develop on any other field. Mongols invented little and now China owns their best land. It wouldn't even exist if for Russia intervening who use their ethnic minority warriors to do the dirty work for them.

Btw Conan the barbarian isn't even a barbarian warrior in the first movie. I watched it and I was surprised how he resorted to stealth, trickery and traps most of the time. Apparently he hates being called a barbarian since he can read.
 
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Ringsword

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Warrior culture is incredibly overrated by ignorant chuds who are still in their HOI4/Crusader Kings/AOE2/UFC phase.

Ironically I learnt about how overrated it was from places like 4chan.

Think about it. Even Romans who are known for their huge empire aren't really warriors but engineers and construction workers who happen to have a very efficient army. The warrior culture were those Germans and Huns to the north who they looked down on as barbarians. Just look at the track record of warrior cultures. Most of them got their asses kicked eventually coz they never bothered to develop on any other field. Mongols invented little and now China owns their best land. It wouldn't even exist if for Russia intervening who use their ethnic minority warriors to do the dirty work for them.

Btw Conan the barbarian isn't even a barbarian warrior in the first movie. I watched it and I was surprised how he resorted to stealth, trickery and traps most of the time. Apparently he hates being called a barbarian since he can read.
The Chinese were denigrated /debased/weakened by Century of Humiliation and its aftermath and McArthur expected to win in Korea and sweep himself ,the US Army and Chiang Kai Shek to Beijing and to power in a few months( the Chinese/PVA said otherwise),afterall didn't USA just defeated utterly and force the surrender of the "warrior culture" samurai Japan in 1945?Warrior culture are generally bullshit romanticized raiders and looters out for easy plunder and slaves...after that -what??Can't build,engineer,nor create-Rome like Han China had a building,creating,prosperous society backed by a large,strong,efficient military-good idea then,good idea today.
 

pmc

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why is it insulting to Qatar? A small country who may be hesitant in publicly expelling Turkey. the problem is that Iran/Turkey still consider themselves as real countries and they dont comprehend indirect signals. Royals are now too polite in confronting them directly instead they engage Europe and all others. hoping that New Europe will solve this problem permanently.

 

Randomuser

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The Chinese were denigrated /debased/weakened by Century of Humiliation and its aftermath and McArthur expected to win in Korea and sweep himself ,the US Army and Chiang Kai Shek to Beijing and to power in a few months( the Chinese/PVA said otherwise),afterall didn't USA just defeated utterly and force the surrender of the "warrior culture" samurai Japan in 1945?Warrior culture are generally bullshit romanticized raiders and looters out for easy plunder and slaves...after that -what??Can't build,engineer,nor create-Rome like Han China had a building,creating,prosperous society backed by a large,strong,efficient military-good idea then,good idea today.
Samurai culture is very ironic when you look at actual historical facts. Forget about whether of not Samurai were fictionalized, lets just look at who actually won during Sengoku Jidai.

Nobunaga: A guy who armed peasant soldiers with Portuguese guns to mow down the real Samurai warriors
Hideyoshi: A guy who messed up twice in Korea to guys who didn't want to fight. Also despite being an Island, managed to get his entre navy blown up by a nerd who used turtle boats.
Tokugawa: A guy who leeched on the winning side and basically lied to everyone and backstabbed them when it was too late for the others to react. He killed Hideyoshi's son as well.
 
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pmc

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Not to be rude, but china is very much not a war culture, they are, like the Greeks, a bureaucratic culture. Nor is British culture war culture, its adventurer culture, hensewhy they loved colonising worthless rocks, and defending those rocks (falklands). Only war culture would be Slavic and Turkish culture, IE: Afghanistan, Mongolia, Russia. Also any culture can fight good, greeks brits and chinese, even if they arent warrors, just dont expect every man and women to show up to the enlistment office!
Qing CCP Ming all avoided war at all cost for example
Its neither Slavic nor Turkish culture that are warrior when they face real opposition.
In this video the front row with military style hair cut is vice Rector of Dagestan university and others are colleagues. what is Putin aim? he is trying that Muslims should become as good as Jews in science by uniting religions through Science. he is trying to bypass some thing. just follow Putin statements you will get the answer.
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December 2, 2024, 3:20 PM
NOVO-OGAREVO, December 2. /TASS/. The strong interest in the IV Congress of Young Scientists confirms that science is called upon to unite people of different nationalities, religions, and views and to create a foundation for universal progress. This opinion was expressed by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with young scientists.
 

_killuminati_

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Think about it. Even Romans who are known for their huge empire aren't really warriors but engineers and construction workers who happen to have a very efficient army. The warrior culture were those Germans and Huns to the north who they looked down on as barbarians.
What do you think the Normans (Nordmen/Northmen) are? They invaded Britain and altered the cultural makeup forever. Before that was the Ingles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, and Vikings - all Germanic - who were invading and settling Britain. The original non-Germanic Celts were indefinitely subdued by the German invaders and continue to do so today, while the Romans never really settled nor interbred with the locals. In fact, if you go to Scotland today, there is an ardent dislike for England (Germanic) by the locals who associate themselves with the Celts.

There was also the more prominent Eurasian Goth invasion which went as far as Portugal and left the most notable impact. Goths also made their way into the papacy to become popes and bishops.

After that, the Germanics spread all over Europe (i.e. Norman invasion of Sicily). It is all Germanic "barbarian" now, atleast the elite class and leadership.
 
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_killuminati_

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What do you think the Normans (Nordmen/Northmen) are? They invaded Britain and altered the cultural makeup forever. Before that was the Ingles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, and Vikings - all Germanic - who were invading and settling Britain. The original non-Germanic Celts were indefinitely subdued by the German invaders and continue to do so today, while the Romans never really settled nor interbred with the locals. In fact, if you go to Scotland today, there is an ardent dislike for England (Germanic) by the locals who associate themselves with the Celts.

There was also the more prominent Eurasian Goth invasion which went as far as Portugal and left the most notable impact. Goths also made their way into the papacy to become popes and bishops.

After that, the Germanics spread all over Europe (i.e. Norman invasion of Sicily). It is all Germanic "barbarian" now, atleast the elite class and leadership.
Also, if you read the older European literature and folklores (i.e. Pictish Chronicles, Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, Beowulf, and histories by various authors), they all use the word Germanic and Scythian interchangeably with the Chronicles claiming all Germanic and Celtic origins being of Scythian stock.

Scythian is the most war-like group in known history.
 
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