Hong-Kong Protests

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tygyg1111

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All these people , especially Hong Kong and Taiwanese are wanting to fight(be canon fodder) to maintain US/eu hegemony doesn't make sense to me. Though there is a theory is that these people invested so much in their lives to dreaming and aligning to the US that they can't come to terms that their life was wasted or is a lie.
Same as south vietnamese in the west - they cannot accept that they were simply used as cannon fodder in a regional sphere of influence struggle, so they latch onto "upholding the ideology".
 

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Same as south vietnamese in the west - they cannot accept that they were simply used as cannon fodder in a regional sphere of influence struggle, so they latch onto "upholding the ideology".
lol true, I have personally worked with 2 of this kind. They despise the VCP with passion. In fact thinking about it now, it was a mistake by China to help Vietnam win the war. China should have provided minimal support to maintain the status quo and maintain a divided Vietnam which would have kept Vietnam in check and avoid them from becoming too confident and united to start facing China(which they always consider their long term enemy). I will say mao was too ideological to be pragmatic in geo political games. It’s no wonder once he helped Vietnamese communist party reunite the country they immediately turned their attention towards China and occupied much of the islands in South China Sea and even encroached some border areas and expanded their occupation to their neighbors leading to the bloody sino Vietnamese war. Luckily Deng changed policies and got rid of the ideological Maoist communist zeal proclaimed by Mao, which worked much better for China
 
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Mao was a brilliant strategic military leader, but a terrible ruler to be honest. Just like Churchill (or Mac Arthur) who was brilliant war time military leader but had to give way after war to more capable day to day leaders. Just because you are good in military affairs doesn’t make you a good leader of the day to day affairs of a country. Else all brilliant generals will be quasi presidents of every country. lol
He should have left power after he united China under the communist party, and assume a ceremonial role or grand advisor the leaders go to when they need advice . But I guess it’s hard to leave power once you have had a taste of it.

Anyway, Hong Kong issue will be solved one way or another it’s not a big issue, since it’s already legally and factually part of China. The real challenge will be Taiwan in the long term.
 

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Anyway, Hong Kong issue will be solved one way or another it’s not a big issue, since it’s already legally and factually part of China. The real challenge will be Taiwan in the long term.

What do you mean "solved"?
As you said, it's part of China, no question. Some rioters don't mean anything.
 

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Mao was a brilliant strategic military leader, but a terrible ruler to be honest. Just like Churchill who was brilliant war time military leader but had to give way after war to more capable day to day leaders. Just because you are good in military affairs doesn’t make you a good leader of the day to day affairs of a country. Else all brilliant generals will be quasi presidents of every country. lol
He should have left power after he united China under the communist party, and assume a ceremonial role or grand advisor the leaders go to when they need advice . But I guess it’s hard to leave power once you have had a taste of it.
Anyway, Hong Kong issue will be solved one way or another it’s not a big issue, since it’s already legally and factually part of China. The real challenge will be Taiwan in the long term.
He is basically the manifistation of the Batman quote "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villian" but atleast compared to Jiang, he actually cared about Chinese Culture because he believed Chinese modernization must come from Chinese rather than the KMT which tried to replace Chinese culture with a western one. Mao also was the real nationalist leader because he didn't sell the country to protect his power unlike Jiang who let Japan invade China so he could focus on fighting the communist until his own generals had to team up with the CCP to force him to fight Japan.
 
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He is basically the manifistation of the Batman quote "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villian) but atleast compared to Jiang, he actually cared about Chinese Culture because he believed Chinese modernization must come from Chinese rather than the KMT which tried to replace Chinese culture with a western one. Mao also was the real nationalist leader because he didn't sell the country to protect his power unlike Jiang who let Japan invade China so he could focus on fighting the communist until his own generals had to team up with the CCP to force him to fight Japan.
I didn't expect to see a topic about Mao here, but I want to tell you that some of Mao's actions, while seemingly problematic on the surface, actually paved the way for reform.
Chiang Kai-shek was a complete traitor. Much of the history of China after the late Qing Dynasty that you've encountered abroad has been distorted.
The reason is simple: China's ideal was communism, a massive threat to all capitalist countries, making it virtually impossible for the West to present an objective account of that period.
Mao was a pure nationalist. He promoted the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution to prevent the Communist Party from falling into bureaucratization like the Soviet Union. With Mao's prestige, he wouldn't have had to do anything to be revered as a spiritual leader for centuries. Therefore, any YouTube comment that Mao launched the Cultural Revolution to gain power can be interpreted as a complete lack of knowledge of Chinese revolutionary history.
 

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I didn't expect to see a topic about Mao here, but I want to tell you that some of Mao's actions, while seemingly problematic on the surface, actually paved the way for reform.
Chiang Kai-shek was a complete traitor. Much of the history of China after the late Qing Dynasty that you've encountered abroad has been distorted.
The reason is simple: China's ideal was communism, a massive threat to all capitalist countries, making it virtually impossible for the West to present an objective account of that period.
Mao was a pure nationalist. He promoted the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution to prevent the Communist Party from falling into bureaucratization like the Soviet Union. With Mao's prestige, he wouldn't have had to do anything to be revered as a spiritual leader for centuries. Therefore, any YouTube comment that Mao launched the Cultural Revolution to gain power can be interpreted as a complete lack of knowledge of Chinese revolutionary history.
Here is full study of the cultural revolution that my Grandpa (who was teacher and sent me this via me dad)
Long story short it was game of thrones/Chinese dynasty interfamilial level powerstuggle
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(Link dosen't work).
 
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