Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

enroger

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the m1.8 supercruise is huge if true. Also, could this special intake be the reason for the groove?

EDIT: oh my god r/aviation is straight up crashing out over this photo right now :p I have never seen this much cope

What would I give to be a fly on the wall when they test the top cruise speed of this thing, not that it is all that important in modern air combat but still it gives me the shivers. Clean profile, no verts, novel intakes, 2D nozzle, adaptive-cycle engine.... man
 

Steven D

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We can see that there are porous panels on both the top and bottom of the fuselage, and there must be a channel connecting the two panels. By this way, the low-pressure area above the fuselage can draw away the boundary layer below the fuselage at the air intake. This also proves the authenticity of this photo,as no CG artist has ever considered this detail before.
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Very interesting design choice, boundary layer suction here could possibly keep flow from seperating at higher AoA. The forebody of this aircraft may work as a less energy efficient strake to generate vortices, if so, the more energy taken away means eaiser for flow seperation to happen at high AoA, so thise device is needed. It could also be that this body's aerodynamic is closer to a flying wing and flow seperation above fuselage is a great loss of reference wing area, and therefore enough to be considered a stall situation. Either way, this is likely to be used to delay stall at low speed, so it's an emphasize on agility at low speed, consistent with the TVC design choice.
 
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Schwerter_

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Very interesting design choice, boundary layer suction here could possibly keep flow from seperating at higher AoA. The forebody of this aircraft may work as a less energy efficient strake to generate vorteces, if so, the more energy taken away means eaiser for flow seperation to happen at high AoA, so thise device is needed. It could also be that this body's aerodynamic is closer to a flying wing and flow seperation above fuselage is a great loss of reference wing area, and therefore enough to be considered a stall situation. Either way, this is likely to be used to delay stall at low speed, so it's an emphasize on agility at low speed, consistent with the TVC design choice.
Firstly I think the porous section on the back is likely used as a “exhaust”, if you will, of the boundary suction plate on the intake wall, and doesn’t suck BL from the back of the aircraft.

Also if you manually remove BL on the top of the fuselage in a high AoA case the low-pressure region becomes worse no? I’m a bit rusty on aerodynamics but iirc boundary layer suction on fuselage or aerodynamic surfaces is primarily to improve cruise efficiency and not high AoA performance (as laminar flow tends to detach sooner than turbulent flow)
 

enroger

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Firstly I think the porous section on the back is likely used as a “exhaust”, if you will, of the boundary suction plate on the intake wall, and doesn’t suck BL from the back of the aircraft.

Also if you manually remove BL on the top of the fuselage in a high AoA case the low-pressure region becomes worse no? I’m a bit rusty on aerodynamics but iirc boundary layer suction on fuselage or aerodynamic surfaces is primarily to improve cruise efficiency and not high AoA performance (as laminar flow tends to detach sooner than turbulent flow)

It is possible it act both as an exhaust and helps delay flow separation. As it suck air from the intake lips and pump them out the back can increase air pressure on the topside. Not sure how much it is helping though or whether flow size matters
 
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