PLA Anti-Air Missile (SAM) systems

[Mmmeeeto]

I don't really know where to post this (since the Kashmir thread was locked) .
But this is an interesting comment I came across under a YouTube video

It's made by some person who claims his cousin is an HQ-9 operator in Pakistan.

He's talking about the brahmos attacks of 10 may here

Take everything he says with a grain of salt of-course.

You guy's are clueless!!!
My cousin is HQ9B operator. Actually an officer and I'm an engineer currently working in Germany. We talked about brahmos and other missiles India launched. He said they intercepted 60% Indian missiles including brahmos . According to him french Scalp cruise missile was most difficult to intercept. He said India fired 65 missiles they intercepted all rampage rocket with both hardkill and soft kill method. Brahmos were fired in unexpected number like 9 at onetime. It's more than what a hq9 battery can handle still they shot down 8 and one hit refrigerator containers at nurkhan base. According to him hq9 systems were amazing but hq16 disappointed. It was the system meant to intercept brahmos but had only 40% success rate. Moreover he add our operators all had no experience and it affected badly. I asked about the speed and altitudes of brahmos to which he answered " what i saw is brahmos travels at an average speed of mach 2.2 at 2km altitude. It dives to 300m when it's 30km away from target and speed drops to mach 2.

Added. Brahmos is a decent missile but not invincible, if correct systems and trained crew are employed interception rate can go well above 80%. He said they're looking for Turkish hisar o systems coupled with low altitude Alp 100g radar. He said this system can solve their loop holes.

So overall the hq-9b did great but the hq 16 was overwhelming

If his comment doesn't pop up through the link, try going to the newest comment to that video.

Thoughts?

 

[doggydogdo]

I don't really know where to post this (since the Kashmir thread was locked) .
But this is an interesting comment I came across under a YouTube video

It's made by some person who claims his cousin is an HQ-9 operator in Pakistan.

He's talking about the brahmos attacks of 10 may here

Take everything he says with a grain of salt of-course.


So overall the hq-9b did great but the hq 16 was overwhelming

If his comment doesn't pop up through the link, try going to the newest comment to that video.

Thoughts?

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Brahmos travels much faster than that

 

[sequ]

I don't really know where to post this (since the Kashmir thread was locked) .
But this is an interesting comment I came across under a YouTube video

It's made by some person who claims his cousin is an HQ-9 operator in Pakistan.

He's talking about the brahmos attacks of 10 may here

Take everything he says with a grain of salt of-course.


So overall the hq-9b did great but the hq 16 was overwhelming

If his comment doesn't pop up through the link, try going to the newest comment to that video.

Thoughts?

Interestingly, CAMM is designed with supersonic cruise missiles in mind, Hisar not so much. Hence the PN navy's choice for the CAMM and not Hisar.

 

[Squadson]

What better choice could there be for China to counter India's over-hyped Brahmos?

I think it will be the HQ/HHQ-9c. Because it is thinner and think its maneuverability will be better than other systems in the Chinese inventory to counter supersonic cruise missile like brahmos, please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[bebops]

I don't know if it is true. Someone said a few China's defense system can counter hypersonic missile..

I want to see a video demonstration. a maneuverable hypersonic missile is the holy grail of all missiles.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I don't really know where to post this (since the Kashmir thread was locked) .
But this is an interesting comment I came across under a YouTube video

It's made by some person who claims his cousin is an HQ-9 operator in Pakistan.

He's talking about the brahmos attacks of 10 may here

Take everything he says with a grain of salt of-course.


So overall the hq-9b did great but the hq 16 was overwhelming

If his comment doesn't pop up through the link, try going to the newest comment to that video.

Thoughts?

Wonder what he meant by operators being inexperienced. They didn’t practice for this sort of scenario?

 

[Heliox]

I don't really know where to post this (since the Kashmir thread was locked) .
But this is an interesting comment I came across under a YouTube video

It's made by some person who claims his cousin is an HQ-9 operator in Pakistan.

He's talking about the brahmos attacks of 10 may here

Take everything he says with a grain of salt of-course.


So overall the hq-9b did great but the hq 16 was overwhelming

If his comment doesn't pop up through the link, try going to the newest comment to that video.

Thoughts?

I served (as a conscript). My son is now also serving, in a high security clearance posting. I've only ever shared the most superficial of details about what I did with my family. My son, likewise only shares the most superficial details, even to me. We both get into trouble when my wife/his mother asks questions we don't want to answer.

The idea that an officer in an Air Defence unit (typically a very sensitive posting) will so much as even share a yet to be declassified engagement AAR with anyone outside his unit, let alone a civilian with no need-to-know basis beggars belief. This is either extremely made up trust-me-bro internet shyte or if actually true, an indictment of the quality of the PAF officer corps. Take your pick.

OPSEC is a real thing.

 

[Tomboy]

I served (as a conscript). My son is now also serving, in a high security clearance posting. I've only ever shared the most superficial of details about what I did with my family. My son, likewise only shares the most superficial details, even to me. We both get into trouble when my wife/his mother asks questions we don't want to answer.

The idea that an officer in an Air Defence unit (typically a very sensitive posting) will so much as even share a yet to be declassified engagement AAR with anyone outside his unit, let alone a civilian with no need-to-know basis beggars belief. This is either extremely made up trust-me-bro internet shyte or if actually true, an indictment of the quality of the PAF officer corps. Take your pick.

OPSEC is a real thing.

We have people literally taking videos inside VT-4s and JL-10 trainers(in flight and showing instrument panel data), so IMO, people telling accounts of engagement doesn't seem that far stretch. Also, war thunder leaks happen and that goes to show how bad OPSEC is even in the "better" militaries.

 

[Heliox]

We have people literally taking videos inside VT-4s and JL-10 trainers(in flight and showing instrument panel data), so IMO, people telling accounts of engagement doesn't seem that far stretch. Also, war thunder leaks happen and that goes to show how bad OPSEC is even in the "better" militaries.

Fair point. Leaks do occur.

I have an impression that a lot of these leaks come from people outside or adjacent to the actual unit operators and these outsiders/adjacents happen to be in a position to capture the info. My personal take is that the actual unit personnel are very likely to be more observant of OPSEC due to the selection and training process of the unit itself.

On an aside - the VT-4 and JL-10 videos ... are they official mistakes? Semi-approved leaks? There are Secrets and there are "open" secrets.

Not to deviate from the bottom line which most of us are aware, for the purpose of OSINT discussions, there are leaks substantiated by proof/documents/videos (eg. what you raised) and there are "leaks" with zero shred of actual evidence other than hearsay.

 

[Maikeru]

Fair point. Leaks do occur.

I have an impression that a lot of these leaks come from people outside or adjacent to the actual unit operators and these outsiders/adjacents happen to be in a position to capture the info. My personal take is that the actual unit personnel are very likely to be more observant of OPSEC due to the selection and training process of the unit itself.

On an aside - the VT-4 and JL-10 videos ... are they official mistakes? Semi-approved leaks? There are Secrets and there are "open" secrets.

Not to deviate from the bottom line which most of us are aware, for the purpose of OSINT discussions, there are leaks substantiated by proof/documents/videos (eg. what you raised) and there are "leaks" with zero shred of actual evidence other than hearsay.

Didn't the entire English version of the VT-4 user manual get published on War Thunder?