Pakistan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

coldplayer1002

Just Hatched
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Good question. Technically, all exported PL-15 are E because that's what the E stands for. I'm just quoting the 145km figure touted in mainstream media. For all we know, the PAF PL-15"E" may be 300+ km.

One thing is certain - the IAF fell for the 145km figure.
Reuters did claim that Indian intelligence misjudged the range of the PL-15E.
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I find it strange that the maximum range of the PL-15E being greater than 145 km has long been confirmed. I don’t understand why social media widely spread the misinformation that the PL-15E’s maximum range is only 145 km. Both Indians and Pakistanis seem to accept this claim, and some Pakistanis even believe that China exported the original PL-15 (which is possible but highly unlikely). AVIC’s Weibo has already explained the PL-15E quite clearly.
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Additionally, I believe Pakistan will eventually acquire the J-35A, though the timeline will likely be later than many Pakistani media outlets estimate. The development progress of KAAN has not aligned with Pakistan’s security needs.

I also don’t think China will refrain from exporting the J-35A to Pakistan solely to maintain air balance between India and Pakistan. India holds significant advantages over Pakistan in terms of army and navy size. Helping Pakistan establish air superiority would actually balance Indo-Pak military power. Moreover, the goal of assisting Pakistan’s military development is to create a favorable environment for its growth. Currently, India does not seem inclined to engage in full-scale war with Pakistan, as public opinion and political-economic conditions do not support it. However, India might attempt to exhaust Pakistan through limited warfare or aerial conflicts. Strengthening the Pakistani Air Force could effectively deter India from pursuing such strategies.

At the same time, the introduction of the J-35A would likely cause concern in India, potentially leading India to divert valuable R&D funds to seek alternatives like the Su-57 and delay its own AMCA project. Besides, the J-35A is intended for export, and I can’t think of a more suitable first buyer than Pakistan. Turkey would certainly want to use this opportunity to advance its KAAN project—if I were them, I’d do the same. But that shouldn’t stop exports. If China’s military products are to gain a foothold in the global arms market, we must accept this possibility. Instead of avoiding exports out of fear, we should focus on enhancing confidentiality measures.
 

_killuminati_

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PAF really doesn't need J-35A atm when J-10C is already doing so well, handling all the top IAF a/c so effectively. PN has more need for J-35A. Also, with India cornered right now it is probably best to maintain status quo as is and not push it in any other direction than the one they're treading right now - compliance with China and BRICS + moving away from US.
 

zyklon

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Whatever missile PAF received would have been called PL-15E, because well, it's export. Just like J-10C is called J-10CE and HQ-9B HQ-9BE. You or me have no idea how PAF's PL-15Es differ from PLAAF's if at all.

If you think what the Chinese military-industrial complex exports and employs herself are somehow identical, then you and I are clearly not the same.

There are obvious and inevitable reasons why China needs to "hold back" on Pakistan, even if that disappoints some of our Pakistani friends.

Case in point:


From where do you think the PL-15E's AESA seeker that Americans like John Ridge got to checkout inside a SCIF came from?

In case you think he's talking hypotheticals, it's pretty obvious his grasp of the PL-15E was achieved from access to the fruits of FME (most likely by way of
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zyklon

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How do you come to that conclusion that he's already seen it before?

Guy's verbiage is a bit vague, but that's typically how such characters post on social media to avoid risking their security clearances.

No one who've worked within the American military-industrial complex communicates with such confidence (
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) — on something like the PL-15E or its launch platform — unless they've been privy to relevant classified reporting, which could only be derived from physical FME of the effector in question.
 
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_killuminati_

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From where do you think the PL-15E's AESA seeker that Americans like John Ridge got to checkout inside a SCIF came from?
That image (+ more angles of it) were posted in the war thread in May, and they weren't from the war. It was Indian propaganda, quickly debunked with the original source posted online years ago.
 

zyklon

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That image (+ more angles of it) were posted in the war thread in May, and they weren't from the war. It was Indian propaganda, quickly debunked with the original source posted online years ago.

This is an embarrassing level of cope.

"I don't like this, therefore this must be propaganda from <insert unpopular hostile threat actor>."

It was inevitable that the Indian authorities would recover components of effectors like the PL-15E in the aftermath of an air battle like that of May 7, 2025.

Such is the reality of combat.

This is just another reason why China has to export "downgraded" weapons systems to Pakistan whether folks here like it or not.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
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Guy's verbiage is a bit vague, but that's typically how such characters post on social media to avoid risking their security clearances.

No one who've worked within the American military-industrial complex communicates with such confidence (
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) — on something like the PL-15E or its launch platform — unless they've been privy to relevant classified reporting, which could only be derived from physical FME of the effector in question.
The way his post is worded means the picture he's responding to is the first time he's seen a PL-15 seeker. If he had seen prior images, he'd have said something like "didn't think I'd see a PL-15 seeker outside of a vault."
 

_killuminati_

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This is an embarrassing level of cope.

"I don't like this, therefore this must be propaganda from <insert unpopular hostile threat actor>."
Buddy, you obviously didn't pay attention to the war thread as it was happening. It was debunked by the Chinese side, sourcing the image to Chinese academic literature from years ago. I'm just pointing it out, in case you're unaware (which you obviously are). You're positing a contention which has already been debated and settled on this very forum. You are late to the party.
 

ougoah

Brigadier
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John Ridge was referring to the expended PL-15E seeker used by Pakistan back in May. He wasn't referring to being privy to PL-15E missiles in Pakistani inventory.

Nevertheless, it is true that China does not export everything to Pakistan and it is also true that is shouldn't be exporting its top shelf equipment. It doesn't do that.

The J-10CE is very far from representing China's best. The following fighters are ahead of J-10CE in terms of technology, capability, sensitivity and opsec concerns.

J-10C (The export J-10CE has obvious differences to PLAAF's own J-10C from just pictures alone... hint spine antenna)
J-16
J-16D
J-15T
J-15D
J-35 (PLAAF)
J-35 (PLANAF)
J-20
J-20A
J-20B
J-20S

I think it's safe to say even if they Americans were given an entire J-10CE and PL-15E to do as they please, it wouldn't reveal more than what level China was at back in 2010. They can infer and interpolate as much as possible but what China reveals today already shows the Americans enough indication of China's current level. As for security concerns, PLAAF equipment today is at least two generations ahead of J-10CE and PL-15E.

PL-15 production has ceased. PL-16 has superseded PL-15. PL-17 is not sold to Pakistan. Missiles that are superseding PL-16 and PL-17 are in evaluation tests given the latest rumours.

At best the Americans have been given access to look at burnt out, spent parts of the PL-15E. There is no evidence Pakistan has given Americans access to non expended PL-15E missiles.
 
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