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gelgoog

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The reason the Soviet Union collapsed was economic. The oil price collapsed, making export revenues diminish, and they had a highly inneficient economy.

Then Gorbachev made stupid policies like allowing the setup of unregulated cooperatives. These could operate as banks and export companies. Products were exported by these companies in exchange for hard currency, and then Soviet shelves got empty. Some cooperatives just bought whatever was in the government stores and resold the products at inflated prices.
 
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Michael90

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It doesn't matter if the CCP collapses, getting rid of censorship will mean that China will be controlled by who control the media, whether it's through the CCP or another entity/entities.
Yeah that will be true if CCP was like any other political party on earth, but its not the case. CCP is a party state. This means that they see themselves as china itself not just a political ruling party who can be changed in future. For CCP there is no China without the party. So this makes it more volatile and fangerous for China if one day the party lost power. It can lead to serious power vaccum and political instability. For example even the army and police force itself might collapse and be divided, since the party sees the PLA as the armed wing of the party not the national army of China, that in itself is a big difference compared to most countries on earth. Reason the party demands loyalty from the military to the party FIRST AND COUNTRY SECOND. this is explicitly stated policy its not something they hide. So for the party it seems you can't love China and not love the party. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

So in this case when the party ever loses power(which is inevitable since no party or orgnisation can rule forever) it can lead to serious instability and power vacuum which different actors will start fighting and justling to take power and even dibisions within the party srmed wing the PLA as different high rank military officials might be divided among those who will support the party and those against. I think thats the biggest threat, not a chnage of ruling parth itself but the way the party itself is structured.
 

august1

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Yeah that will be true if CCP was like any other political party on earth, but its not the case. CCP is a party state. This means that they see themselves as china itself not just a political ruling party who can be changed in future. For CCP there is no China without the party. So this makes it more volatile and fangerous for China if one day the party lost power. It can lead to serious power vaccum and political instability. For example even the army and police force itself might collapse and be divided, since the party sees the PLA as the armed wing of the party not the national army of China, that in itself is a big difference compared to most countries on earth. Reason the party demands loyalty from the military to the party FIRST AND COUNTRY SECOND. this is explicitly stated policy its not something they hide. So for the party it seems you can't love China and not love the party. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

So in this case when the party ever loses power(which is inevitable since no party or orgnisation can rule forever) it can lead to serious instability and power vacuum which different actors will start fighting and justling to take power and even dibisions within the party srmed wing the PLA as different high rank military officials might be divided among those who will support the party and those against. I think thats the biggest threat, not a chnage of ruling parth itself but the way the party itself is structured.
This is a naive, reddit-tier take on Chinese history and society. The degree of chaos that China historically experienced following the collapse of a previous dynasty has nothing to do with how liberal that dynasty was. Instead it has everything to do with how strong and organized the following dynasty was. That's why there was decades of chaos (where the annual death rate was continuously higher than even the worst years of the Great Famine) following the collapse of the Qing and the establishment of the fractured ROC government, whereas the transition from the ROC to the PRC immediately ended warlordism and united the country. In case you've forgotten, the KMT government was anything but a democracy. Unlike the late Qing, which had devolved in little fiefs and kingdoms towards its end and could barely even muster the strength to go after revolutionaries like Sun Yat-Sen, the KMT massacred communists and supposed communist sympathizers in the millions.

China's one and only metric for its government since ancient times is competence. Any other bad-faith concern-trolling takes by Westerners like you are a complete waste of its time.
 

akay

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Revolutionary Russia, 1891-1991: A History, by Orlando Figes is my go-to primer. The Collapse of the Soviet Military, by William Odom has a tighter focus on the era of Soviet dissolution. A Full-Value Ruble, by Kristy Ironside is good for post-WWII monetary policy. But you were saying something about reading history?

Anyways, this is very far from the topic of AI. Come back once you've done your homework.
Let's make it more specific. I recommend you to read
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SanWenYu

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More details on this "brain inspired" model:
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SpikingBrain-1.0在多个核心性能上实现突破。第一,极低数据量上的高效训练:训练阶段具有线性或近线性复杂度,显著提升长序列训练效率,并能依托高效转换训练范式,以约为主流大模型2%的预训练数据量实现与众多开源Transformer模型在多任务语言理解(MMLU),中文多任务语言理解(CMMLU、Ceval), 常识推理能力(ARC、HS)任务上相媲美的性能。第二,推理效率的数量级提升:推理阶段结合脉冲神经元事件驱动特性,SpikingBrain具有常数或部分层常数级别的复杂度和存储开销,SpikingBrain-7B模型在100万Token长度下TTFT(生成第一个Token所需时间)相比Transformer架构加速达到26.5倍,400万Token长度下加速超过100倍。同时在手机CPU端64k-128k-256k长度下较Llama3.2的同规模模型Decoding速度提升4.04x-7.52x-15.39x,在超长序列处理能力上展现出数量级的效率和速度提升。第三,国产自主可控类脑大模型生态的构建:SpikingBrain适配了面向国产GPU集群的高效训练和推理框架、Triton算子库、模型并行策略以及集群通信原语,表明了构建国产自主可控的新型非Transformer大模型架构生态的可行性。第四,基于动态阈值脉冲化的多尺度稀疏机制:设计细粒度的两阶段动态阈值脉冲化策略,结合粗粒度的混合专家模型(MoE)方案,在7B模型上实现了超过69.15%的稀疏度,长序脉冲占比约1.85%,为低功耗的类脑大模型运行提供有力支撑。

It is a collaboration between CAS and MetaX.

Technical report by the developers:
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Mainstream Transformer-based large language models (LLMs) face significant efficiency bottlenecks: training computation scales quadratically with sequence length, and inference memory grows linearly. These constraints limit their ability to process long sequences effectively. In addition, building large models on non-NVIDIA computing platforms poses major challenges in achieving stable and efficient training and deployment. To address these issues, we introduce SpikingBrain, a new family of brain-inspired models designed for efficient long-context training and inference. SpikingBrain leverages the MetaX1 GPU cluster and focuses on three core aspects: i) Model Architecture: linear and hybrid-linear attention architectures with adaptive spiking neurons; ii) Algorithmic Optimizations: an efficient, conversion-based training pipeline compatible with existing LLMs, along with a dedicated spike coding framework; iii) System Engineering:customized training frameworks, operator libraries, and parallelism strategies tailored to the MetaX hardware.

Using these techniques, we develop two models: SpikingBrain-7B, a linear LLM, and SpikingBrain-76B, a hybrid-linear MoE LLM. These models demonstrate the feasibility of large-scale LLM development on non-NVIDIA platforms. SpikingBrain achieves performance comparable to open-source Transformer baselines while using exceptionally low data resources (continual pre-training of ∼150B tokens). Our models also significantly improve long-sequence training efficiency and deliver inference with (partially) constant memory and event-driven spiking behavior. For example, SpikingBrain-7B achieves more than 100× speedup in Time to First Token (TTFT) for 4M-token sequences. Our training framework supports weeks of stable large-scale training on hundreds of MetaX C550 GPUs, with the 7B model reaching a Model FLOPs Utilization (MFU) of 23.4%. In addition, the proposed spiking scheme achieves 69.15% sparsity, enabling low-power operation. Overall, this work demonstrates the potential of brain-inspired mechanisms to drive the next generation of efficient and scalable large model design.2
 

Wrought

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Let's make it more specific. I recommend you to read
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Thanks, I just did. The paper makes a decent argument for why Soviet rigidity curtailed positive synergies between science and engineering, with concomitant effects on technological breakthroughs. It makes effectively no argument whatsoever about how that dynamic relates to the political collapse of the USSR, with only a few passing references. But scientists and engineers were not the ones who voted in the 1991 Supreme Soviet to dissolve the Union.

In other words, you have a ridiculous misunderstanding of how the Soviet Union, and indeed any country, collapses. Your paper does not say what you think it says; the gap between your claim and your evidence is more of a canyon. You could of course rectify that misunderstanding by doing your homework and reading the sources I mentioned, like I did yours.
 

akay

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Thanks, I just did. The paper makes a decent argument for why Soviet rigidity curtailed positive synergies between science and engineering, with concomitant effects on technological breakthroughs. It makes effectively no argument whatsoever about how that dynamic relates to the political collapse of the USSR, with only a few passing references. But scientists and engineers were not the ones who voted in the 1991 Supreme Soviet to dissolve the Union.

In other words, you have a ridiculous misunderstanding of how the Soviet Union, and indeed any country, collapses. Your paper does not say what you think it says; the gap between your claim and your evidence is more of a canyon. You could of course rectify that misunderstanding by doing your homework and reading the sources I mentioned, like I did yours.
First of all you are funny. I put my logical arguments how external factors can affect the collapse of hegemonic entity, you just replied by giving some book names instead of giving your counter arguments . Then i gave you an article that mentions soviets were 20 years behind from US in information technologies , you again just say, I don't put any evidence for my claim. And your attitude against other is bad . Instead of putting your arguments politely, you are claiming others as dumb or ideas as ridiculous . I will just ask you one question about importance of information technologies. Why US tries everything to put China behind in information technologies if it does not afraid of losing its hegemony over the world ?
 
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