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CasualObserver

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Merz Says Tackling Germany’s Economic Woes Tougher Than Expected
Yeah, that’s nothing. Let’s spend a couple hundred billion more on weapons to counter a country with the GDP of Spain, a rapidly aging population, and no shared border with us. And while we’re at it, let’s send our navy to threaten a superpower -one of our biggest customers- on the other side of the planet.
 

gelgoog

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Well the "GDP of Spain" thing is BS. In GDP PPP Russia is like the 4th largest economy similar size to Japan's. Those bogus GDP numbers are based on RUB/USD conversions when those are sanctioned in the first place.

But yeah the whole EU has more population than the US and similar GDP PPP so they should better start acting like it.
 

ficker22

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Well the "GDP of Spain" thing is BS. In GDP PPP Russia is like the 4th largest economy similar size to Japan's. Those bogus GDP numbers are based on RUB/USD conversions when those are sanctioned in the first place.

But yeah the whole EU has more population than the US and similar GDP PPP so they should better start acting like it.


They still have no plan to solve the energy shortages or fix broken infrastruture in Germany.
And no importing more expensive US LNG is not a plan.



He won't we are the eternal goys for the chosen ones.

Bis zum letzten Ukrainer, äh, Deutschen...
 

subotai1

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Yeah, that’s nothing. Let’s spend a couple hundred billion more on weapons to counter a country with the GDP of Spain, a rapidly aging population, and no shared border with us. And while we’re at it, let’s send our navy to threaten a superpower -one of our biggest customers- on the other side of the planet.
The shared border piece is irrelevant. You don't want your enemy on your borders. So, you fight to keep them away.

At the same time, building weapon systems employs your people and sends money to your companies. So, this is not like Germany is giving hundreds of billions away and getting nothing. In reality it is sending federal money right into its own economy.
 

gelgoog

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It would if much of it wouldn't be wasted buying US weapons as usual.
Also much of military spending is useless for the civilian side of the economy except for certain projects.
 

CasualObserver

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At the same time, building weapon systems employs your people and sends money to your companies. So, this is not like Germany is giving hundreds of billions away and getting nothing. In reality it is sending federal money right into its own economy.
Injecting hundreds of billions into the defense industry might create only a few thousand additional jobs, whereas the same investment in capital expenditure and competitiveness could generate hundreds of thousands of jobs for an export-driven economy.

Russia, in its current state, is no match for the combined strength of the EU, let alone the entire NATO alliance. To even pose a threat to Germany, Russia would first have to get through Poland, which is rapidly expanding its military and investing a significant share of its GDP in defense. After three years, Russia has still been unable to break Ukrainian resilience, which makes the notion of it pushing through Poland with ease and threatening Germany even less realistic.

If I were German, I wouldn’t want to see my hard-earned money tied up for decades in barracks and equipment that will likely gather dust, given there is no plausible scenario in which Russia could directly endanger Germany.
 
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