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AndrewJ

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So much for "Build Submarines."

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There's a reason for these. :eek:

Next-Gen US Missile Submarine Sees A $1.7 Billion Cost Hike​


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The Navy raised the estimated price tag for the first of its next-generation nuclear-missile submarines by $1.7 billion, another black eye for a program that’s the centerpiece of the service’s modernization plans.
The USS District of Columbia is now expected to cost at least $16.1 billion, 12% more than forecast when Congress first authorized construction funds in 2021, the Naval Sea Systems Command said in a statement.
Sixty percent of the cost growth is driven by inflation in materials and labor costs, with the rest attributed to “shipbuilder performance” by
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, the service said.
The Columbia-class submarine will be the new sea leg of the US nuclear triad, along with the Sentinel land-based ICBM and B-21 bomber. The program is is already 17 months behind schedule from its contracted October 2027 date, a delay the service is “desperately” trying to reduce, the Navy’s acting top admiral told a Senate panel last month.
 
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sheogorath

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The F-35 is really new and it also has fairly low availability due to teething issues and just that maintainers need more experience working on them.

It isn't, though. By now the F-35A has been in service for almost 10 years, compare it to the F-16 that by 10 year mark already had several succesful combat ops, variants and raking in flight hours like there was no tomorrow.

I know the 2010's seem like a couple of years ago, but it isnt, we are almost a decade removed from it.
 
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tygyg1111

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We're completely cooked.

I think it's obvious that a fundamental shift has to happen within the DoD. Trump was supposed to revolutionize government in 2016 and 2024, but all we got instead was either more insiders or incompetent clowns.

Both parties are asleep at the wheel and are letting the country rot itself from the inside out.
4 more years!
 

JimmyMcFoob

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So AUKUS Australian sub by 2055?
Before you criticize that this deal is not worth nearly 400b, so far they've only paid 1.6b for no subs and due for 3.6b by the end of the year (for no subs)
More like never, depending on the political winds. @bjj_starter said it best here:


Hello Lethe, over from the Ask Anything Thread! I am also a white Australian so I'm not sure about that part of the post, but in terms of the "Big Questions" you raised, I really really hope AUKUS gets cancelled & I think there's at least a moderate possibility of that happening.

I strongly doubt AUKUS included any ROK like language around US military command of submarines in the event of war, although I think both sides who made the deal de facto expected something like that. If such language were revealed, it would make AUKUS insanely unpopular in Australia. One possible read of Albo's current plan is that he might be trying to get the US to cancel/non-perform AUKUS. If he asserts Australian sovereignty over the Australian military (…assuming the American officers who recently joined our military don't make that an issue) & says "No, those submarines won't be used in a war over Taiwan, they'll only be used to protect the Australian national interest, which does not include either Taiwan or a US-China war", to me it's absolutely unthinkable that the US would ever actually give us the Virginia subs. Think about it, if there's any chance that those subs won't be available to the US in the important war, then giving those subs to Australia is effectively sinking them straight after they're made, from the US perspective. Given the US's issues with shipbuilding & meeting their own requirements, the AUKUS deal only makes sense for the US if the US can guarantee that it can use those subs regardless of their nominal ownership. If Albo credibly threatens that, the US would have to cancel the deal with no subs delivered and Australia only having paid $500Mn to $3Bn (if it gets cancelled soon). Albo's jabs at Trump & friendliness with China could be deliberately trying to push Trump to make the cancellation out of anger, while the assertion of sovereignty & national interest gives Colby cold feet - who would be left to advocate for AUKUS, something Biden very publicly claimed credit for?

Now that said, there's a giant hole in this theory, which is: where on Earth would we get our replacements for the nearly-expired Collins-class submarines? I personally think this isn't that big of an issue with this theory because non-performance of AUKUS by the US was always more likely than not. However, there is still a military (and domestic political) problem with not having subs. Japan? Go begging back to the French? Some sort of CANZUK decades long abomination? I don't know. I personally think "Nothing, no subs" is better than spending $350Bn on subs that won't get delivered to us & come with a commitment to being on the losing side of the largest conflict since WW2, but I understand that's not a great position electorally.
 
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