J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

Alfa_Particle

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#78139 + a good look at the WS-10C2s.
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Supplementary material: a NOT TO SCALE AND ANGLE comparison of (from up to down) WS-15, WS-10C2, and WS-10C.
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(You can clearly see the noticeably varying widths of what I refer to as the "silver collar", and on HD images, the WS-10 family WILL definitely have a ring of slits on their silver collar.)
 

sunnymaxi

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#78139 + a good look at the WS-10C2s.
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Supplementary material: a NOT TO SCALE AND ANGLE comparison of (from up to down) WS-15, WS-10C2, and WS-10C.
View attachment 155656

(You can clearly see the noticeably varying widths of what I refer to as the "silver collar", and on HD images, the WS-10 family WILL definitely have a ring of slits on their silver collar.)
WS-10XX black nozzles perfectly matches with dark RAM coating.

J-20A looks mesmerizing.
 

Nevermore

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The paint on the upper part of the aircraft seems to be the same as before, with possible changes in color and contrast. I thought the upper pattern would also be redone.
 

mack8

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Oh wow, just found this great collage containing the different WS models that the J-20/A uses, and I don't think we've ever seen a photo of WS-10C2 (middle) this clear?
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Looks like the WS-10D/B-3's convergent-divergent nozzle but serrated and using the same materials as the WS-10C's ejector nozzle.
I am well behind in understanding the various engine models used on the J-20, can a brief summary be made as to which is which (mid is WS-10C2 as you mention), and especially the thrust ratings?
 

Deino

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#78139 + a good look at the WS-10C2s.
View attachment 155655

Supplementary material: a NOT TO SCALE AND ANGLE comparison of (from up to down) WS-15, WS-10C2, and WS-10C.
View attachment 155656

(You can clearly see the noticeably varying widths of what I refer to as the "silver collar", and on HD images, the WS-10 family WILL definitely have a ring of slits on their silver collar.)

Strange, the number dies not fit into the sequence of the other J-20 A with 7883x and 7893x numbers!!??
 
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Alfa_Particle

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I am well behind in understanding the various engine models used on the J-20, can a brief summary be made as to which is which (mid is WS-10C2 as you mention), and especially the thrust ratings?
We quite literally have no solid idea. If I had to hazard a guess, it would be something similar to this F110 roadmap from GE (reasonable too since the WS-10 family has a linage that can be traced to the F110):
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I'd (conservatively) expect the WS-10C2 to be at or above F110-GE-134 (listed as the F110-GE-129EFE+ above) in terms of thrust rating. But a bolder estimate would be that the WS-10C itself already is at that level (150+ kN ish), and the WS-10C2 being an equivalent of the fully realised WS-15 pre-revamp (170-175 kN).

It is completely within the realm of possibility though, that the WS-10C2 represents an overhaul in the lifespan direction instead, like the F414 EDE proposal instead of the EPE. But I would assume that since the WS-10C2 is only a very short stopgap (hopefully) before the WS-15 arrives, it wouldn't make much sense to keep them around for long. And we know that the J-20A has reworked DSI bump geometries to accommodate for the WS-15 (which is allegedly has a noticeably higher mass flow than the WS-10C), which the WS-10C2 is compatible with, and I guess you can put forth an argument of that as an anecdote for WS-10C2 being an EPE overhaul instead of EDE.

And IMHO an EPE overhaul makes more sense to require a whole new designation than an EDE overhaul.

(Another theory is that the WS-10C2 is actually a VCE/ACE operational testbed of sorts but I think we can all agree that the above is way more likely.)

(I would be completely glad to move this to the Engine Development thread if the mods deem this as too off-topic)
 
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