2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

[gelgoog]

The US neocons like Paul Wolfowitz have been planning to take over Iran so they can control Middle Eastern oil before taking on China, chokeholding Chinese food & energy supplies, since the late 1990s.

As for Iran it can thank its own missile scientists and engineers or it would just continue to be bombed.

 

[tokenanalyst]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1940730541466411040

I hope that guys here concerned about Iranian missiles hitting Tel Aviv buildings express the same concern about Israelis bombs hitting Iranian civilians.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I hope that guys here concerned about Iranian missiles hitting Tel Aviv buildings express the same concern about Israelis bombs hitting Iranian civilians.

Doesn't matter; it's not the same. Israel is the instigator and deserves no sympathy no matter what happens to them. Iran is the defender; everything done to Iran was wrong from the start.

 

[johncliu88]

Israel casualties

 

[iBBz]

Americans are enjoying their stay in Gaza, shooting people for sport.

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[zyklon]

During a recent

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released on July 1, Iranian FM Abbas Araghchi claimed that Iranian nuclear facilities recently targeted by US airstrikes were "seriously and heavily damaged," but stayed vague on the details:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1940508351617761340

On July 2, Pentagon Spokesman Sean Parnell not only claimed that Iran's nuclear program was set back by 1-2 years, but that the US may have destroyed Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Going so far as to laughably claim that the US inflicted a "strong psychological toll" on the Iranian leadership:

From the appearance of these official statements, both the Iranians and Americans would like an off ramp from the conflict, or at least to indulge in a break from visible hostilities to take victory laps with domestic audiences.

OTOH, Israel and the Israel Lobby aren't going to call it quits, so long as they believe that a nuclear capability remain within Iran's reach. As such, we're almost certainly looking at more airstrikes against Iran before Trump's term concludes.

One other possibility in addition to airstrikes is that the US will try to establish a permanent-ish military presence within a periphery and/or minority region of Iran. However for something like a Kosovo or Iraqi Kurdistan to emerge, Iran will likely have to be significantly further weakened, if not drawn into a civil war of some variety.

 

[AlexYe]

OTOH, Israel and the Israel Lobby aren't going to call it quits, so long as they believe that a nuclear capability remain within Iran's reach. As such, we're almost certainly looking at more airstrikes against Iran before Trump's term concludes.

' so long as they believe that a nuclear capability remain within Iran's reach'
As been proven multiple times in the past, Nuclear isnt a concern for either of them, its just an excuse.
The real and only goal of israel is regime change or 'iraqify' them.

And has there been any new video come out either from Israel or some from iran about Israeli planes over iran's territory? They conducted so many day strikes after all.

 

[zyklon]

' so long as they believe that a nuclear capability remain within Iran's reach'
As been proven multiple times in the past, Nuclear isnt a concern for either of them, its just an excuse.

As the last ~21 months have shown, the threshold for a "hot war" between Israel and many of its neighbors is quite low. So your cynicism is not unreasonable.

However, the issue of nuclear weapons remains central to the conflict between Israel and Iran.

Ask yourself this: would Israel dare to strike Iran as it just did if Tehran possessed a nuclear capability even remotely comparable to Tel Aviv's?

The real and only goal of israel is regime change or 'iraqify' them.

Israel does not have the means to "Iraqify" Iran by itself, and requires direct American military support for achieving even lesser goals.

For the Israelis and the Israel Lobby, the nuclear issue offers a go-to casus belli when lobbying American politicians and their constituents.

In this instance, the nuclear issue drives and bottlenecks escalatory potential.

 

[gelgoog]

The Israelis and Turks worked together in Syria and Nagorno-Karabakh. It is kind of obvious they plan to send the headchoppers into Iran via Azerbaijan and Turkey. The Anglos are also probably going to use their other proxies.

 

[styx]

So, after years and years of snubbing Chinese weapons, after getting soundly beaten by Israel due to its autarkic tendencies and being betrayed by Russia, Iran now goes to China to basically buy itself a brand-new air force? Let's keep in mind that Iran never joined the Belt and Road Initiative or the BRICS, and it still keeps talking to the West—which is, in fact, bombing them. Iran plays a double game; the Chinese should make them pay double.Iran's strategy of kinetic diplomacy with Israel has been senseless; what's even more ridiculous is that, now with half its security forces decapitated and its nuclear program nearly destroyed, Iran still considers a diplomatic path. China should be very wary of such countries, governed more by superstition than by real policy. The weakness of its allies can turn into a weakness for China itself.