2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Derpy

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North Korea could do it, no reason any similar sized country cannot.
North Korea is a clear example of why it will not work, their military is a joke with much of their gear being 50+ year old soviet hand-me-downs.
Sweden was reasonably self-sufficient during the cold war with less then 10 mill people at the time but that was with an at the time leading edge industry that could trade freely with the west. Iran have neither and modern weapon systems are more complex then ever making it even more difficult to be self-sufficient today then it was in the past. If India can not do it i do not see how Iran would be more successful.
 

gelgoog

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Iran has 92 million people. France has 62 million.
Iran was also one of the fastest growing countries until recently. They had a population explosion. It is part of the reason for their economic issues.

Iran has one of the biggest bases of STEM graduates in the world also. More than Japan.

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FairAndUnbiased

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North Korea is a clear example of why it will not work, their military is a joke with much of their gear being 50+ year old soviet hand-me-downs.
Sweden was reasonably self-sufficient during the cold war with less then 10 mill people at the time but that was with an at the time leading edge industry that could trade freely with the west. Iran have neither and modern weapon systems are more complex then ever making it even more difficult to be self-sufficient today then it was in the past. If India can not do it i do not see how Iran would be more successful.
North Korea has a poor military on paper but they're up in kills since the Korean War including sinking the Cheonan, an ASW frigate, with a sub. North Korea has what it needs for a short range fight at the DMZ.

Iran and India have far more ambition than winning a short ranged border war less than 100 km from their capitals.

I think as Iran and Ukraine have proven, being behind is not so bad. Being infiltrated or ideologically defeated is the worst. North Korea has almost no infiltration, to the degree where South Korea is basically making shit up about it and can't predict literally any of their behavior.
 

abc123

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Iran has 92 million people. France has 62 million.
Iran was also one of the fastest growing countries until recently. They had a population explosion. It is part of the reason for their economic issues.

Iran has one of the biggest bases of STEM graduates in the world also. More than Japan.

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And Iran uses old American F-14s while US is trying to make a 6th gen fighter... Sucesses of Indonesia and India and Mexico are story for it's own category...
 

yugocrosrb95

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North Korea is a clear example of why it will not work, their military is a joke with much of their gear being 50+ year old soviet hand-me-downs.
Sweden was reasonably self-sufficient during the cold war with less then 10 mill people at the time but that was with an at the time leading edge industry that could trade freely with the west. Iran have neither and modern weapon systems are more complex then ever making it even more difficult to be self-sufficient today then it was in the past. If India can not do it i do not see how Iran would be more successful.
Your comment is a joke and more so people like you when someone actually well informed or even educated on North Korea sees your post.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Problem is due to the active mass USA propaganda it is very hard to get objective assesment about the industrial/military capability of Iran, Russia, NK, China, or even Mexico.

And it is not even my view , even the USA representatives are frustrates due to the subjective and low quality analysis that they receive.

And , by the results fo the Israeli strikes/ukraine war it is quite obvious the Israel / USA inteligence agencies has similar problems to assess the reality on the ground in foreign countries.

I think the mass propaganda of the past 100 year created a very deep disortion in the capabilities to objectivly assess the reality.
If you have a deep faith about your superiority, and the unferiority of the other it is hard to objectivly see the world.

I just realised that I have litle understanding of the 2nd WW events and dynamic of events ,logic and reasons, because everything that I learnt/read/see had a very thick and sticky layer of war propaganda.

Had to go down to individual persons reports level to get a somehow objective picture.
 

mack8

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There is much to comment on the issue of iranian MIC, but first indeed the idea that the DPRK military is a joke is indeed a joke in itself. Personally i have every confidence that should DPRK be forced into a war with the west, their military performance would be shocking to the said west. Not to mention the possibility of a fair number of glass craters appearing in not a few US alligned asian and elsewhere countries and especially US mainland, but we digress.

Moving from that different discussion, DPRK and Iran are often compared militarily because imo at least Iran has a sad story of among others enormous MIC potential wasted. They have far more landmass, resources, a generally highly educated and much more numerous population. So whatever DPRK achieved militarily to date Iran should have easily matched and exceeded that, and then some. In fact Iran should have had everything DPRK has but in more numbers PLUS a competent and well developed aviation sector. But nevermind the stupid flacidity of "fatwas" against nukes by the incompetent mullahs, Iran has no form of ICBMs, supersonic cruise missiles, 5000 tons DDGs, AEW, upcoming SSBNs just to name a few.

Come to think of it, i don't even think Iran has the capability to build heavy AFV chassis from tanks to IFVs and other such vehicles that DPRK has (Zulfiqar is nothing but prototypes and Karrar i'm quite sure it's upgraded T-72).

Like i pointed several times previously, Iran HAS proven it can design and build competent weapons systems, their drones, SRBMs and SAMs are decent enough, but their are dragged down by the preposterous army within the army that is IRGC with it's own navy, air force and SAMs, thus duplicating efforts and systems senselessly, by the criminal neglect of IRIAF which is one of the main factors of the embarassing tactical showing vs the zionist regime in the present war, and above all by the cancerous corruption and fifth column that the iranian society and government is infested with.

Now that Iran has been attacked by the zionists and the americans, i fear for Iran, there is hardly any time or conditions now to turn around the above mentioned system illnesses. I don't know if they will endure the same fate as Iraq after 1991, being used as a punching bag and bombed every once in a while for the next decade before eventually either be invaded outright or more likely the syrian/libyan model applied where all kinds of terrorist groups will be supported and grown by the west culminating in a mostly air attack against the exhausted by then mullah regime to facilitate the take-over/breakup of Iran by said terrorists, leading to decades more of war and destruction.

The iranian mullah regime has only itself to blame for getting the country in this situation.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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There is much to comment on the issue of iranian MIC, but first indeed the idea that the DPRK military is a joke is indeed a joke in itself. Personally i have every confidence that should DPRK be forced into a war with the west, their military performance would be shocking to the said west. Not to mention the possibility of a fair number of glass craters appearing in not a few US alligned asian and elsewhere countries and especially US mainland, but we digress.

Moving from that different discussion, DPRK and Iran are often compared militarily because imo at least Iran has a sad story of among others enormous MIC potential wasted. They have far more landmass, resources, a generally highly educated and much more numerous population. So whatever DPRK achieved militarily to date Iran should have easily matched and exceeded that, and then some. In fact Iran should have had everything DPRK has but in more numbers PLUS a competent and well developed aviation sector. But nevermind the stupid flacidity of "fatwas" against nukes by the incompetent mullahs, Iran has no form of ICBMs, supersonic cruise missiles, 5000 tons DDGs, AEW, upcoming SSBNs just to name a few.

Come to think of it, i don't even think Iran has the capability to build heavy AFV chassis from tanks to IFVs and other such vehicles that DPRK has (Zulfiqar is nothing but prototypes and Karrar i'm quite sure it's upgraded T-72).

Like i pointed several times previously, Iran HAS proven it can design and build competent weapons systems, their drones, SRBMs and SAMs are decent enough, but their are dragged down by the preposterous army within the army that is IRGC with it's own navy, air force and SAMs, thus duplicating efforts and systems senselessly, by the criminal neglect of IRIAF which is one of the main factors of the embarassing tactical showing vs the zionist regime in the present war, and above all by the cancerous corruption and fifth column that the iranian society and government is infested with.

Now that Iran has been attacked by the zionists and the americans, i fear for Iran, there is hardly any time or conditions now to turn around the above mentioned system illnesses. I don't know if they will endure the same fate as Iraq after 1991, being used as a punching bag and bombed every once in a while for the next decade before eventually either be invaded outright or more likely the syrian/libyan model applied where all kinds of terrorist groups will be supported and grown by the west culminating in a mostly air attack against the exhausted by then mullah regime to facilitate the take-over/breakup of Iran by said terrorists, leading to decades more of war and destruction.

The iranian mullah regime has only itself to blame for getting the country in this situation.
In fact the main problem with the IRGC and the regular military is that both exist, not that an ideological military is a problem. Their regular military, which was inherited from the Shah, was completely infiltrated while the IRGC was not.
 

gelgoog

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The Iranian regular military tried to coup the revolutionary government. That is why the IRGC was strenghtened.
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A large part of the coup initiators were from the air force.

In the Iran-Iraq War the Iranians also found out their air force was highly vulnerable. If they lost aircraft performing deep strikes on Iraq they could never replace them because of the arms embargo. So these were mostly used in a defensive role. At the same time Saddam's Iraq struck Iranian cities with Scud missiles with pretty much impunity. So Iran developed its own missile force. This period of the war is called the War of the Cities.
 
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