2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

[tamsen_ikard]

The Iranians keep talking tough when they'd be better off staying quiet. They never seem to learn, now they are back to making big threats and loud speeches (I saw a few statements earlier today from their supreme leader and foreign minister). I have no doubt in my mind deep inside every country is actually happy that these guys don't have nukes.. They should take the face saving that Trump gave them. If they had any understanding of how Trump operates (his personality), they'd stay quiet.

Why should they stop talking tough? They won the war. They overpowered israel and it was israel who wanted peace cause they no longer have enough missiles to intercept and their infrastructure was getting decimated.

Why should Iran be afraid of Trump when Iran has enough missiles to destroy all US bases in the region. Iran has enough missiles to sink entire US carrier strike groups.

Why should Iran be afraid when they can close the hormuz and blow up the world economy if the US tries to hit Iran too much?

US has absolutely no desire to start a full scale war with Iran. They have no leverage when they cannot project power anymore.


People here need to decide what they think happened. US and Israel backed down. They are in no position to act tough after backing down.

 

[defenceman]

I wouldn’t say most, most of the videos that got posted were of impacts not of interspections. But I more generally wanted an estimate

Hi,
on way to access how much impact been taken by Israeli city will be Google, before the war
and after like some months gone pass or a mont or two, if Israeli are not restricted the satellites
by pass on their land with USA and European countries
thank you

 

[defenceman]

Hi,
I think getting only J10c will not help Iran even to defend its air space,
let’s have a glimpse of india vs Pakistan skirmish PAF we’re having awacs
and other command and control gadgets in their possession while getting
J10c Iran need 4/6 awacs too, to monitor their air space 24/7 beside Iran
is a big country compare to Pakistan need robust twin engines fighter of not
China Russia may be with long range missiles, I hope I’m not wishing too much
if any of the two countries willing to supply them
SAM they can relay on their own to some extent with the integration of awacs and
command and control
thank you

 

[PLAwatcher12]

Hi,
on way to access how much impact been taken by Israeli city will be Google, before the war
and after like some months gone pass or a mont or two, if Israeli are not restricted the satellites
by pass on their land with USA and European countries
thank you

That won’t nesscary show you how much made impacts since missiles have a high payload. It’s good for seeing how much damage was caused not necessarily determining how much actually hit.

 

[Sinnavuuty]

Why should they stop talking tough? They won the war. They overpowered israel and it was israel who wanted peace cause they no longer have enough missiles to intercept and their infrastructure was getting decimated.

Why should Iran be afraid of Trump when Iran has enough missiles to destroy all US bases in the region. Iran has enough missiles to sink entire US carrier strike groups.

Why should Iran be afraid when they can close the hormuz and blow up the world economy if the US tries to hit Iran too much?

US has absolutely no desire to start a full scale war with Iran. They have no leverage when they cannot project power anymore.


People here need to decide what they think happened. US and Israel backed down. They are in no position to act tough after backing down.

Apparently Iran is afraid to do all this, because if it wasn't afraid, it would have done it already.

 

[AlexYe]

Ok, thank you. Can you link those by any chance?

Oh man I didnt bookmark these and they were a few days ago too, finding older tweets suck on twitter. Let me see

Why should they stop talking tough? They won the war. They overpowered israel and it was israel who wanted peace cause they no longer have enough missiles to intercept and their infrastructure was getting decimated.

Why should Iran be afraid of Trump when Iran has enough missiles to destroy all US bases in the region. Iran has enough missiles to sink entire US carrier strike groups.

Why should Iran be afraid when they can close the hormuz and blow up the world economy if the US tries to hit Iran too much?

US has absolutely no desire to start a full scale war with Iran. They have no leverage when they cannot project power anymore.


People here need to decide what they think happened. US and Israel backed down. They are in no position to act tough after backing down.

They should talk tough/ not bow down to demand but they should be smart about things, Play along that every nuclear stuff is gone, so remove the sanctions. Trump likes a victory, another deal. Israel wont like this normalisation at-all. Letting your enemy underestimate you is better. And by not using all of their cards they did good.
But think longterm smartly,

Hi,
on way to access how much impact been taken by Israeli city will be Google, before the war
and after like some months gone pass or a mont or two, if Israeli are not restricted the satellites
by pass on their land with USA and European countries
thank you

Google maps? I highly doubt any of this big damage will show up on their, us-irael will have google censor it.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

Oh man I didnt bookmark these and they were a few days ago too, finding older tweets suck on twitter. Let me see

They should talk tough/ not bow down to demand but they should be smart about things, Play along that every nuclear stuff is gone, so remove the sanctions. Trump likes a victory, another deal. Israel wont like this normalisation at-all. Letting your enemy underestimate you is better. And by not using all of their cards they did good.
But think longterm smartly,

Google maps? I highly doubt any of this big damage will show up on their, us-irael will have google censor it.

I don't think Iran can play along that everything is destroyed and do a deal with Trump and then restart enrichment in secret.

First of all, there is enough spies/sat intel to find out any restart in enrichment.

Then US will most certainly say Iran is violating deals.

The best option is to act tough, get out of IAEA. Then openly say they are doing enrichment. They are already sanctioned, they have already been attacked. So what else is there.

 

[Maikeru]

Why should they stop talking tough? They won the war. They overpowered israel and it was israel who wanted peace cause they no longer have enough missiles to intercept and their infrastructure was getting decimated.

Why should Iran be afraid of Trump when Iran has enough missiles to destroy all US bases in the region. Iran has enough missiles to sink entire US carrier strike groups.

Why should Iran be afraid when they can close the hormuz and blow up the world economy if the US tries to hit Iran too much?

US has absolutely no desire to start a full scale war with Iran. They have no leverage when they cannot project power anymore.


People here need to decide what they think happened. US and Israel backed down. They are in no position to act tough after backing down.

Your feelings do not amount to evidence of anything you've stated. The simple fact is that none of us know which side really came out on top. We don't know the extent of the damage to Iranian nuclear sites or personnel, nor do we know the extent of missile damage in Israel or their remaining ABM magazine or for that matter Iran remaining IRBM. The only thing we can say with any degree of certainty is that:

1. Israeli Air Force was able to operate over Iran with near impunity;

2. Mossad managed to infiltrate Iran pretty thoroughly; and

3. A significant number of IRBM penetrated Israeli defences.

Beyond that it's just guessing.

 

[bebops]

Hi,
I think getting only J10c will not help Iran even to defend its air space,
let’s have a glimpse of india vs Pakistan skirmish PAF we’re having awacs
and other command and control gadgets in their possession while getting
J10c Iran need 4/6 awacs too, to monitor their air space 24/7 beside Iran
is a big country compare to Pakistan need robust twin engines fighter of not
China Russia may be with long range missiles, I hope I’m not wishing too much
if any of the two countries willing to supply them
SAM they can relay on their own to some extent with the integration of awacs and
command and control
thank you

just J10c by itself cannot do much. Iran need a series of air and ground stealth radar and SAM.

they need time to rebuild. maybe j10c is the first step then they will order something in the future.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Hi,
I think getting only J10c will not help Iran even to defend its air space,
let’s have a glimpse of india vs Pakistan skirmish PAF we’re having awacs
and other command and control gadgets in their possession while getting
J10c Iran need 4/6 awacs too, to monitor their air space 24/7 beside Iran
is a big country compare to Pakistan need robust twin engines fighter of not
China Russia may be with long range missiles, I hope I’m not wishing too much
if any of the two countries willing to supply them
SAM they can relay on their own to some extent with the integration of awacs and
command and control
thank you

Iranian AWACS are a bit iffy. As long as their detection radius vs F-35s is lower than AAM range they can be shot down easily and would be high priority targets. A J-10 is kinematically more survivable as long as it gets missile incoming warning.

The big problem with AWACS for a country like Iran is that nobody wants to sell one to them and they cost way too much for a country without many fighters in the first place. They're 5x more than a fighter on average (300M USD per E-7 vs 60M USD for a F-16). And Iran really needs the fighters just to have enough volume to maintain defensive sorties, as right now it only has some Mig-29s, F-14s, F-4s, F-5s and J-7s.