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4Tran

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What if they actually got their space based AEW constellation working, they've been testing space based aircraft tracking for a while. While I don't think canning E-7 is a good idea because they definitely can't bring such a constellation online in the near future but once they do they could have global tracking capability even right in the middle of Chinese airspace, every single Chinese sortie is going to be tracked and there's no good counter to this. China should work to get their own system online to not fall behind in the new space race.
Aside from questions about whether such a system works, the problem is that satellites are more vulnerable than aircraft are. They are impossible to hide and they can't evade attacks. It's a dumb idea to ditch proven technologies that critical to the modern battlespace to gamble on unproven ones. What China would do is to build up its AWACS fleet, develop new types of AWACS units to better detect stealth aircraft, and to build up satellite based AEW.
 

Tomboy

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Aside from questions abthat Chinawhether such a system works, the problem is that satellites are more vulnerable than aircraft are. They are impossible to hide and they can't evade attacks. It's a dumb idea to ditch proven technologies that critical to the modern battlespace to gamble on unproven ones. What China would do is to build up its AWACS fleet, develop new types of AWACS units to better detect stealth aircraft, and to build up satellite based AEW.
They've had similar discussions about this at SPF, most assume the system would take the form of a large constellation like starlink with hundreds if not thousands of small satellites. How are you suppose to hide from this, there'll be enough satellite to have consistent coverage and too many satellites to take out via ASAT weapons. They already got Starshield working with over a hundred satellites I don't think this is far fetched from reality. Of course I'm not defending the decision of cancelling mature and proven platforms for unproven ones that can't be completed within the next 5 years if not longer, it absolutely is stupid and I completely agree that China should not abandon AEWC effort and instead should work on both and probably IMO space based ASAT capability as a potential counter.
 

4Tran

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They've had similar discussions about this at SPF, most assume the system would take the form of a large constellation like starlink with hundreds if not thousands of small satellites. How are you suppose to hide from this, there'll be enough satellite to have consistent coverage and too many satellites to take out via ASAT weapons. They already got Starshield working with over a hundred satellites I don't think this is far fetched from reality. Of course I'm not defending the decision of cancelling mature and proven platforms for unproven ones that can't be completed within the next 5 years if not longer, it absolutely is stupid and I completely agree that China should not abandon AEWC effort and instead should work on both and probably IMO space based ASAT capability as a potential counter.
Why would you need to hide from them? You just knock them out, or better yet, just blind them.
 

qwerty3173

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They've had similar discussions about this at SPF, most assume the system would take the form of a large constellation like starlink with hundreds if not thousands of small satellites. How are you suppose to hide from this, there'll be enough satellite to have consistent coverage and too many satellites to take out via ASAT weapons. They already got Starshield working with over a hundred satellites I don't think this is far fetched from reality. Of course I'm not defending the decision of cancelling mature and proven platforms for unproven ones that can't be completed within the next 5 years if not longer, it absolutely is stupid and I completely agree that China should not abandon AEWC effort and instead should work on both and probably IMO space based ASAT capability as a potential counter.
Is is really feasible to combine radar capabilities from small satellites to detect ream-time aircraft at least 500km away? I know it's theoretically possible through synthesized aperture capabilities, but if in reality you need powerful radars for each satellite it's just like launching awacs into space.
 

Soldier30

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A large-scale military parade dedicated to the 250th anniversary of the American army was held in Washington, DC, USA. The Continental Army of America appeared on June 14, 1775, uniting all representatives of the North American states to fight the British. It is worth noting that the parade was held on the birthday of US President Donald Trump, who turned 79 years old. The event was attended by servicemen who were dressed in army uniforms from various historical eras. The parade also featured modern and World War II equipment - from Sherman tanks to B-25 bombers. The parade featured M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams tanks, M2A3 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, 155-mm self-propelled guns M109A7 Paladin, HIMARS MLRS, M1256 Stryker armored personnel carriers and other modern equipment.

 

zyklon

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Perhaps Hegseth should give the August 1st Building a call. Maybe China can offer to build the 054AE FFGs for the US Navy instead?

1. The USN will want something closer to a notional 054BE for responding to extended contingencies in the Strait of Hormuz, Red Sea and what not.

2. Probably most optimal for Beijing to offer localized production in a labor friendly, coastal state like Washington or California where a local shipyard and the associated labor unions can be co-opted with relative ease by the MSS, UFWD and/or CSSC subsidiaries.

3. Will first need to confirm with GE on the availability of reasonably updated F414 turbofans, but there's no reason not to offer Boeing or Lockheed a joint venture localizing the production of J-35s for the US or even greater NATO markets.

The sitting American President Donald J. Trump is all about making deals, and no deal will do more for (immediate and medium term) peace and prosperity (e.g. stock market indexes) than a corporate marriage (e.g. defense joint venture) between the Chinese and American military-industrial complexes!

This is in all fairness the path of least resistance for realizing the
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