Why is NK being put on a pedestal? The only reason Kim dynasty is still in power is because US does not want Korea war V2. Whether they are nuclear or not is irrelevant with China as backer.
2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
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Those wondering why Arab states shot down Iranian UAVs need to research the difference between (i) Sunni and Shia Islam; and (ii) Arabs and Persians. Absolutely no love lost between the Gulf Arabs and Iran, indeed Saudi has long been accused of angling for the attacks that are now after many years of threats finally occurring.
Yup that's exactly what's happening.
I would also add that the Palestinians and Hamas had cheered for the fall of Bashar al-Assad in Syria because they had drunk the Muslim Brotherhood Kool-Aid. When he fell, Syria become an Israeli stooge and crippled Hezbollah's supply lines. Hezbollah was one of the few resistance groups who had fought Israel to help Hamas out. During the decades-long Syrian Civil War, Palestinian refugees in Syria had joined the Turkish and Western-sponsored terrorists and fought against the Assad government, possibly even against Hezbollah.
This is the Middle East. Its better to stay far away from them and let them sort themselves out. Never get caught up in their wars and internal strife.
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China is bordered with NK so it is easy to help them. And China doesn't want a U.S friendly country bordered them.
Israel is probably the only one active in the region that reads these guys well. Even the US can't do it hence all these messes. Israel uses petty grievances and divide/conquer strategy very well.
This is true. I met many Iranian regime hardliners who absolutely despise hamas and Palestinians.
So many Iranian leaders and generals are dying for the sake of Palestinian people.
Just following a few pro hamas Palestinian accounts will show you they don't share the same loyalty to Iran
I still think Iranian state has deep strengths in its internal cohesion and loyalty of its people that it can overcome this crisis.
Yes, there are certain populations of Iranians who are anti-regime and pro-west. But I don't think they are the majority. If they were, Iran wouldn't be doing democratic elections.
Iran is a revolutionary government backed by ideology, that kind of governments are very resilient.
Whatever tricks Israel had, it has been exposed. Iran will start to focus on reorganizing it's forces and capabilities.
Yes, Israel maybe have killed some people in the leadership but they can and will be replaced. The core of Iranian armed force is still capable.
If Iran can survive the next 2-3 days and regroup and fight back, they still have a chance to regain the initiative and bring massive destruction onto Israel. We will see
Yes, there are certain populations of Iranians who are anti-regime and pro-west. But I don't think they are the majority. If they were, Iran wouldn't be doing democratic elections.
Iran is a revolutionary government backed by ideology, that kind of governments are very resilient.
Whatever tricks Israel had, it has been exposed. Iran will start to focus on reorganizing it's forces and capabilities.
Yes, Israel maybe have killed some people in the leadership but they can and will be replaced. The core of Iranian armed force is still capable.
If Iran can survive the next 2-3 days and regroup and fight back, they still have a chance to regain the initiative and bring massive destruction onto Israel. We will see
Agreed.
Tempting as it is, I can understand China’s refusal to do more with Iran, Syria, etc… There is just too much instability in that region, and any hard attempts to change it or invest in it will only bring about headaches.
Better to just do business, help out here and there, and let whatever happens, happen.
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This is beyond that. They're after all protecting Israel, not just hampering Iran.
I.e. they're acting by design against the wll of "arab street".
This isn't about Iran as much as it is about being in line. Same thing when you see how american and british aircraft intercepting shaheds.
As if those 3.5 typhoons matter in general order of things, but good ally steps ahead out of their own will and on their own initiative.
No, I mean why are posters considering what kim has done as some sort of shrewed statesmanship when NK was never in danger in the first place? In fact I can point to the same disfunction holding Iran back also applying to NK, there are reasons they are economically decades behind its Southern neighbour.