2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

[sheogorath]

I understand your concerns and I wouldn't trust Israel or its people either. But Chinese leadership might think differently to us and that even with all the bad stuff that comes with Israel, they think they can still handle them and get a upper hand in a deal.

Like I said, its just a disaster waiting to happen, if they do. Should serve as warning for continuing negotiation with Trump as well.

China is at risk of getting Minsk'd

 

[Mmmeeeto]

The mentality of "God will help us" is what makes Iran incompetent
You can't solo the western presence without the economic and military ability to support it
This is what makes China unique from Russia(to a lesser extent) and iran.
Take advantage of western incompetence, act nice and, build up in silence
Then when the time is ready you can fvck them over and dominate them

 

[neutralobserver]

There have been so many covert operations in Iran in last 20 years. Why didn't Iran focus on building strong counter intelligence apparatus?

 

[Randomuser]

The mentality of "God will help us" is what makes Iran incompetent
You can't solo the western presence without the economic and military ability to support it
This is what makes China unique from Russia and iran.
Take advantage of western incompetence, act nice and, build up in silence
Then when the time is ready you can fvck them over and dominate them

The way China works in an ideal case is by the time the west decides it needs to actively go all out against China, its too late as China has already laid all the groundwork, traps etc. In other words it has already won by that point.

Of coz that chapter is yet to be written.

 

[talonn]

So let me get this straight:

Saudi Arabia? Shoots down Iranian drones and missiles. Jordan? Shoots down Iranian drones and missiles. Egypt? Shoots down Iranian drones and missiles. Syria? Literally kissed Israel’s butt while they attacked them. Israeli drones and missiles? Untouched.

What the hell is going on the Middle East? Is everybody there just Israel’s lackey?

Middle east is gone case (again). The legacy brings shame to Saladin

 

[tygyg1111]

I have the complete opposite view. The Russians have been dealing with the US adversarial mentality for decades and they know what it's about. In the long run, it doesn't matter if China intervenes directly or not. The US is coming for China. They are tearing up Huawei cell towers in Panama because they know they need to use that canal to transit their Atlantic fleet to the Pacific when the time comes for them to go to war with China. They are stockpiling the samarium and other rare earths China just agreed to give them, for their weapons which will be used to kill Chinese people. And at that time and place of their choosing, they will simply prod their vassal Taiwan to make an unbearable provocation and force China into a use it or lose it situation. The only difference if China saved Iran from Israel is that when the time comes, China would have one more ally in its corner. If they don't, they will have one fewer. That's the only difference.

An ally like Iran is bound to fuck up at the time you need them most. They had decades of relative peace, only to waste it. Contrast this with North Korea, to which China does provide support.
Russia plays into the US adversarial mentality, which is why in 2025 they are 3 years into a shooting war with their neighbour, whereas China flew the world's first 6th gens, has leading AI models and is on its way to self sufficiency in all critical technologies.

 

[Sardaukar20]

Didn't that nuclear facility got completely destroyed? How are they going to build nuke if it is destroyed? Or am I wrong about this.

Natanz is not the only major nuclear facility. I doubt that Iran have shown all their nuclear facilities to the IAEA while also sitting on 60% enriched Uranium for possible enrichment to weapons grade. If they had done that, then they're so screwed.

 

[snake65]

More complicated.
The problem is that US were heavily invested into Pahlavi(they brought him to power in the first place) - and Pahlavi reign was so good, that he was overtrhown by popular uprising.
US bad blood is very much with people of Iran, not just with the clerical elites.

Even more complicated. Popular uprising, cultivated and led by clerical elites and spearheaded by radical students. Similar process of eroding of secular state into clerical is happening in Turkey, although the process is more gradual and less violent.

 

[Randomuser]

FFS! What's this crap about Muslim unity again?

 

[gadgetcool5]

An ally like Iran is bound to fuck up at the time you need them most. They had decades of relative peace, only to waste it. Contrast this with North Korea, to which China does provide support.
Russia plays into the US adversarial mentality, which is why in 2025 they are 3 years into a shooting war with their neighbour, whereas China flew the world's first 6th gens, has leading AI models and is on its way to self sufficiency in all critical technologies.

Russia is in a bad position because it trusted the US and surrendered to it in 1989-1991, thinking that if it ended the Cold War and gave Ukraine independence, the US would respect its zone of influence and not expand NATO. Instead, the US continued to treat Russia as an enemy and couped the democratically elected leader of Ukraine to appoint their guy.

The Iranians believed US promises that Israel would not attack, and failed to move their generals and nuclear scientists to safe hiding locations. Israel's occupation of Gaza and the West Bank is based on a sneak attack on the Egyptian air force in 1967. Always getting caught by surprise by Israeli/Western attacks.

The lesson of it all is never trust the West, no matter what "deals" they claim, it is just waiting for an opportunity to stab you in the back. Western expansion since 1492 has been based on war in the end, nothing else, and they will never stop.